Why can't Teacher training be done in summer holidays

[daffodil10]

Why do summer holidays need to be extended by 3 days to cover inset days when teachers have had 6 weeks off. And before I get shot down I realise they may have been in school over the holidays etc. But what is the point in going back to school on a Thursday

The people working in financial services and law are earning a huge amount more than teachers though. And for them the sky is the limit when it comes to career progression and potential salary.

Some people are so fucking stupid and base their opinions on assumptions rather than knowledge.

Oh and someone said upthread mentioned that all professions have unpaid overtime. Ha ha! They really don't.

Of course they do

Happy to agree that teachers do loads

Teachers do not have a monopoly on working extra hours, I'm afraid.

Of course we don't, and I don't recall anyone on this thread saying we do. The point is, that the world and his wife or rather, certain uninformed people on MN insist on accusing us of pissing off home at 3.30 and having 13 weeks' fully paid holiday a year. And then, when we try to say, "well, actually, that's not how it is," people think we're maintaining we have it harder than everyone else. Not so.

I was a programmer before I became a teacher. Never did unpaid overtime. Always paid.

Happy to say lots of professions have unpaid overtime but not all so, was my point.

kitty

Just because your overtime as a programmer was paid it doesn't mean that all overtime for programmers are paid

So i dont see how you can say that the profession of programmer does not have unpaid overtime

If you see what i mean

And by that same logic, I don't see how you can say all professions have unpaid overtime either.

Rufus. What? Someone says all professionals have unpaid overtime. Many teachers have said 'not us' with lengthy explanations. And you still respond 'of course we do'.

So not only am a lazy you know what with all those holidays who must get paid for holidays 'cos that's not the way it works, I am also paid for overtime.

So what you are actually saying is teachers are all liars, then?

Also, I don't really see why teachers are expected to solve other people's childcare problems, just because we educate them during the day. You wouldn't expect other professionals also dealing with children to do so.

Ok, let me re-phrase. All teachers, each and every one, do unpaid overtime. Lots and lots of people working in other professions, also do unpaid overtime

Teachers don't do unpaid overtime the choose how many hours to put in extra from the school day. The problem is to be what ofsted decrees a good or dare I say outstanding teacher the poor sods have to put in that many hours that they end up being outearned by sweat shop workers! (Last bit is obviously tongue in cheek but you get my drift)!

kitty

Absolutely agree with you there grin

Oh man that was supposed to be

Didnt say any of that jane

I have said a humber of times that teachers work many many hours extra that they dont get paid for

I dont know how else to phrase it

I get what shellygirl is trying to say. As a teacher myself I hear similar from non teachers myself. Many can not see the 'unseen' work that has to be done. The issue is who is responsible for childcare? Parents or the state?

Many people are envious of our holidays but not college/Uni tutors/ MPs who have long summer breaks but as they don't deal with children it's not an issue!

We could have the Scandinavian left wing system where everyone pays more tax to provide subsidised childcare. Or we could have the Americanized right wing model where it's up to the individual/family to sort.

The US have far longer summer holidays and family either adept they will need to have a SAHP or pay for summer camp! They do not feel entitled to free childcare.
I do see the point that schools have resources needed tonprovidebwrap around care but there is no way this can be free. Some schools are having shorter days/half days due to budget cuts. There's certainly no option to open classrooms/Sports halls and staff them with teaching assistants for free!

And you still respond 'of course we do'

That was in response to kitty saying not all professions get unpaid overtime ....not in response to any comments regarding teachers

I was saying that of course all professions do unpaid work past their offical hours

And kitty and i agree, i was just being pedantic

I GET that school is only 'open' to children for 190 days per year! Why do individuals ^ need to keep repeating the status quo which is well understood? But there are 365 days in a year so my point is that the schools could be kept 'open' - to children, for childcare purposes, to assist working parents. Teachers do NOT need to work any more hours! They can choose to work full time, part time, 2 days a week, 4 days a week - it really is irrelevant to this MN conversation! There are so many extra curricular activities that could be run during these time... sport, music, cookery, drama etc etc... Term time could be 'teaching' English, Maths, science etc etc.... How come nursery schools can manage decent opening times? They are open 8am-6pm 51 weeks of the year! The government help to fund this childcare - To assist working parents! For 30 hours PW I now believe! Why can schools not fall in line. Childcare for working families is such a huge issue for so many working mums I know. I don't see why this couldn't work and I have a feeling this may be the way forward in years to come. It would be a worthy cause for government funding and would benefit so many....

Nurseries manage to open all year around because people working in them want a job that's all year around. You are suggesting that there are people out there who don't want to work all year around, what they want to do is work in an empty school building during the school holidays offering drama classes.

How would they earn their money the rest of the time?

Private nurseries are also open because, er, they're paid to do so. They are only state funded for.... 190 days!

How come nursery schools can manage decent opening times? They are open 8am-6pm 51 weeks of the year!

Surely those aren't nursery schools? Are those not private nurseries? Nursery schools are schools, with school terms, staffed by qualified teachers. Well, they are in N Ireland where I live. Is it different in England?

And they're only open for about four hours a day...

I think many schools would be happy for their buildings to be rented over the holidays by people who want to run full day clubs. But... how many want the opposite of a term time only job?

It's the same here treaclesoda, they are paid for privately. I believe private schools have lots of holiday clubs too. Some even board your children for you if you pay...

All thw disadvantages of term time only (lower pay), none of the advantages (time off with children).

Madonna I don't reckon it's that as students often take those jobs, I reckon it's simple supply and demand. I've worked in schools teaching since 2001 and without fail every school had parents desperate for wrap around care. Just not enough of them. Only one school I worked in had enough business to make an after school club work and it's a bit touch and go even then.

It might seem to some posters that the whole world is stuck with the problem of finding holiday childcare but not enough people put their money where their mouth is - they all find cheaper options somehow.

Shellygirl78

The "School" i.e buildings etc. are booked out through out the evenings, weekends and holidays to private individuals that run clubs etc.

the school were I work is fully booked with extra activities that parents can sign their children up to if they are willing to pay.

Schools themselves run breakfast clubs and after school cubs including homework, sport, drama, and many others.