Why can't Teacher training be done in summer holidays

[daffodil10]

Why do summer holidays need to be extended by 3 days to cover inset days when teachers have had 6 weeks off. And before I get shot down I realise they may have been in school over the holidays etc. But what is the point in going back to school on a Thursday

Ok fine, make it 230 days.

Why not? Why is it soooo bad that the childcare is provided at the school in the afternoon?

Yes!
When people choose to be parents they know part of it is arranging childcare. People spend time moaning about it but it's not exactly a surprise of parenthood.

Why the hell should schools have all kids and teachers in almost year round to cater for childcare?

Aside from the lack of holidays for children, which is stupid, who is paying for the cost of this afternoon childcare?

There's also no way you could condense the statutory curriculum into those half days.

Because people are looking for childcare. The teachers provide the education. The school is just a building.

Garliccalamari

Who is providing the childcare in the school in the afternoon? (as in physical presence?

Or put it this way, why should my terms and conditions be so unilaterally changed because people feel entitled to free childcare?

Then there's learning logistics. 45min-1hour lessons. 3 in a morning. We do 4 hours english and maths a week at secondary. Even if you reduce that down, that's still loads of subjects thay don't fit into the 'childcare' timetable because the students only have it once a week at the moment. So then they might have one lesson of those subjects every month and yet would still be expected to make progress.

The teachers wouldn't be providing the childcare. They will be doing the marking so they don't have yo do it in the evening. We pay for after school childcare now, why not have it provided in the school building till 5. It saves the alternative childcare the cost of the building.

They deal with little shits all day long.... I say they deserve it!
Somebody a bit miffed they went down the wrong career path?

There's also no way you could condense the statutory curriculum into those half days.
Our curriculum is already full and keeps getting more and more and more added to it (usually when there's some outcry in the press aboit why 'insert life skill' isn't being taught in school).

Really if the big thing is using school buildings for childcare, why don't external providers just use school buildings for holiday clubs/childcare in the holidays and parents can buy their space? If there's enough demand then companies would probably do it. If there's not then people should sort their own out

How hard is it to comprehend? School systems and routines do not exist to facilitate childcare! They exist to provide a quality education for the next generation of our workforce. Jeezo......

As @MaisyPops when you choose to have kids, then you take all that goes with it. Including arranging and financing childcare if you choose to continue with your job / career.

Maisypops so what is the correct response from an op to apologise then just shuffle off and not respond

Garliccalamari
Instead of having us work more days etc for the same pay (which is what you suggest), what needs to happen is to have a properly funded education system so schools can get enough staff and timetable extra PPA time during the week.
Unfortunately, as there's massive cuts and things like trips are being cut back on and there's not enough teachers in the first place that's going to be a struggle.

If i had to work more days for the same pay then I'd leave teaching ans go back to my previous job.

I'm not interested in free childcare, I'm fed up with long holidays with child care problems and tired teachers who need three months holidays to keep on going doing this job. The system doesn't work anymore the what it is now. Can't you think out of the box for solutions instead of bitching about if it is 350, 250 or 230 days or how many minutes there are in a lesson? Don't you want to think of a solution that benefits all? I didn't do the exact maths, I'm just trying to get an idea out there.

daffodil10
More poor me stuff. I'm not saying 'shuffle off and don't respond'. You seen intent on playing a victim, which is what other posters have raised.

It's simple:
OP: AIBU ....
Consensus: yes you are because...
OP: ah right. That makes sense to me.

Garliccalamari

How are you factoring in school trips in your system?

Can't you think out of the box for solutions instead of bitching about if it is 350, 250 or 230 days or how many minutes there are in a lesson?
I'm not bitching. I'm pointinf out that 3 hour long lessons in a morning would not allow for adequate curriculum coverage. That's a fact.
Don't you want to think of a solution that benefits all?
Yes.

1. A properly funded education system that has enough staff so that additional PPA can be factored into our timetables.
2. School buildings could be used by private childcare providers to offer provision out of term time. Parents book this like they would other childcare.

So when I'm still being called naive etc - I should just respond " ah right that makes sense to me. "** ok

@Garliccalamari stop being ridiculous. Why should teachers have their terms and conditions unilaterally changed just to suit everybody else?

It'll never happen anyway as there's no money in the pot to pay us more for the huge increase in hours and days that you propose.

And do the basic Maths before you post such ridiculous suggestions.

*Maisypops
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Teachers say that they work in the evenings. If you don't have yo work in the evenings anymore you can work more days during the year. Teachers are always banging about how many hours they work and that's why they have the extra holidays because it evens out. That should work the other way around as well.

My afterschool care is provided by grandparents when I need it. They can manage a couple of hours. They couldn't manage a whole afternoon and early evening. So I'd have to pay.

@Garliccalamari stop being utterly obtuse and ridiculous.

Can't you think out of the box for solutions instead of bitching about if it is 350, 250 or 230 days or how many minutes there are in a lesson?

All of these are relevant to being able to teach.

If a lesson is 45 minutes and reduced to 35 minutes where is the suitable stopping point?
what type of activities can I use?
my starter and plenary changes due to the lesson length.
does the reduction in lesson mean an overall reduction in teaching time (do my reduced lessons get made up with extra lessons or is my overall time reduced meaning less time for the same information)?

Just some of the "bitching" that is required to be able to teach.

Well said @BoneyBackJefferson

@Garliccalamari knows bugger all about pedagogy hence the ridiculous proposal. It's like my bottom set Year 9s being put in charge of the DfE. Bless.

It's difficult to cover the school holidays as working parents and I think this is where some of the ill feeling comes from about Inset days. However we live in London and there is a teacher shortage and I think it's a very tough job on the whole . Maybe we should just be grateful that there are still people who want to do it and that their employers are making the effort to train them !

I am not trying to solve my own problems but a simple idea gets shot down by some of you just because some of you don't want to think in solutions. I didn't make a study of it or do the maths. I'm thinking out loud here. I married a wealthy guy so it's not my problem, I just hear a lot of people bitching to each other.

MaisyPops I like your idea of optional childcare at the building. What is ppa (I'm not from U.K. but same discussions here)