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DSIL abandoning DN at mine without asking

229 replies

charlie2405 · 03/09/2017 08:34

More of a WWYD really.....

So yesterday SIL turned up at 11.30 stating she was having issues with her dp and wanted a chat. She stayed til one when suddenly announced she was going to the pub for a couple of pints(?) But would be back later. I had nothing on yesterday was just pottering so said yeah that's fine. She took DN (11) with her. I popped to my mum's with my 3 DC (ds10 dd3 and ds2 3 months). Then had a call from her phone around half 2. It was DN stating he was bored at the pub could he come round. I said that's fine as DSiL was supposed to be coming back round to mine anyway.
2 hrs later I had made dinner so fed DN. No text etc to state where she was.DN then piped up that she had arranged to go with her DP to another friends house for a piss Up!

Long story short couldn't get hold of her all night DN who is iffy about staying out at the best of times wouldn't sleep or go to bed until midnight in case she came back. Had to move dd from her room to make space for the boys to sleep together. Dd was unsettled by DN crying and woke up, my sensitive DS is very upset for his cousin and none us us had a good sleep. It's now half past 8 and still not heard from her.
My DH is due to pick her up for work in 15mins although he feels like he should.bloody well leave her in bed.

So WWYD and how would you approach it? She has form for apparently forgetting she has kids (2 elder DN who now at university). I don't like confrontation but feel like she has royally taken the kids especially as she's gone out with DP who she was stating that she was going to leave just a few hours before!

OP posts:
Lovingmybear2 · 05/09/2017 09:00

While I agree with you about mumsnetters lighting fireworks under other people's families in this case sil lit the fire work and dn is being burnt.

For the op to sit back and collide with this neglect would be shameful

flippinada · 05/09/2017 09:10

Branleuse I know some people treat threads like this as an exciting drama but I think most folk reading something like this will be genuinely concerned. And given what OP described (assuming it's genuine - no reason not to)

Of course there will be ramifications for OP, how could there not be? Doesn't mean it was the wrong thing to do though. I speak as someone who has made a report to SS (and dealt with the fall out) so I don't say that lightly.

flippinada · 05/09/2017 09:10

*And given what OP described....reporting was the right thing to do.

Dulra · 05/09/2017 09:11

Well done for reporting it. You were all becoming complicit in this child's neglect and chaotic life. It is highly unlikely he will be taken off her but a care plan will be put in place and she will be encouraged (forced) to start putting his needs first and should be given the right help and support to do this

Branleuse I completely disagree with you. If you ever think even only think a child is being abused or neglected it is our civic duty to report it. In this case there was actual fact that he was. I live in Ireland so not sure if it is the same in the UK but here you are legally obliged to report any abuse/ neglect you may be aware of and if you don't it can have legal repercussions for you. This woman has had enough chances time to put the needs of her child first now.

ScrewCheapTabloidHacks · 05/09/2017 11:00

I hope you all get the support needed. It's not easy making the report but it is the right thing. I once reported a family at DD's swim class, they will have known it was me as I directly intervened at the time when step dad was screaming at & threatening the little girl. So many people just stood and watched. Sad

5rivers7hills · 05/09/2017 11:06

i think its a bit much a massive group of mumsnetters sitting behind their computers encouring posters to light a firework inside their own families is far too easy

Do you have any idea how damaging being neglected as a child is?

Lighting a firework is the best thing that can happen if it gets DN the help he needs from his abusive family situation. Yes neglect is abuse. Being hungry and left outside pubs is neglect.

5rivers7hills · 05/09/2017 11:08

and you'd have to be a pretty bad persons to be more worried about 'grielf from SIL / MiL' than about the actual abuse of a child.

Hortonlovesahoo · 05/09/2017 11:20

It sounds like your SIL needs some help. Would a frank discussion with MIL and/or your DH make a difference here? It might help to get her the support she needs whilst SS do their thing.

I'm just trying to work out what's best for your DN and would help him in the short term.

DamsonGin · 05/09/2017 11:37

Branleuse are you assuming that none of us know what are talking about, or have not been in that position ourselves?

Hope it's all going ok, OP.

houghtonk76 · 05/09/2017 13:15

Surely people noticed she already said no room for him in car (she does have a 10 yr old, 3 yr old & 3 mnth old of her own), where should she put the 11 year old? In boot?? In this day & age that sort of thing is against elf & safety!

Should have txt her she's been arse & ur not putting up wiv it again - next time will take his Dad or SS. Or she arranges some form of proper childcare for when she'working / needs sitter (in advance). Then DH puts him in car wiv him & takes to SIL saying she will have to call into work sick or something & look after her son. B4 DN goes, tell him you love him, loved having him & will have him again if HE needs you. Then ask him if he wants to arrange a time now for few weeks time or something & tell him he's always welcome at yours. That poor love needs a stable, postive influence role model while he's going thru sec school. Also try & arrange group meet with you, her, DH & DN's Dad or her OH if its his Dad & thrash out how things will be organised going forward. If she / they needs/need help wiv childcare on weekends especially - offer an afternoon slot once a month or something (whatever you prepared to offer) so u guys can see DN / he can play wiv his cousins. Odds on when he's 21 you'll be going to his graduation & he'll be telling you those monthly visits were best times of his childhood.

houghtonk76 · 05/09/2017 13:20

I speak from experience wiv the 21 bit - worked wiv 13-19s for 8 years & met these types pf parents alot along the way. Working & needing childcare or pre-booked sitting for a date night or something is fine, but leaving her 11 to wonder where she is when coming home / to get him is damaging to him.

houghtonk76 · 05/09/2017 13:21

*11 year old

houghtonk76 · 05/09/2017 13:23

Branleuse inclined to agree wiv you. DN's mother brought the shit upon self tho.

bxlworriedmum · 05/09/2017 13:31

Well done OP, hope you're ok. DN has a brighter future thanks to you, hang in there 💐

houghtonk76 · 05/09/2017 13:41

Seen posts about reporting now. Awful decision for you OP, but best one for your DN in long run. Sounds like your SIL needs support wiv addiction & hopefully (if DN is as brave to tell how things have been) she will get it & parenting support which needs. They will support your DN to stay at home where possible & liaise with new sec school - I know this cos of my job wiv 13-19s. One thing though, encourage visits to u, DH & MIL (to show he is still your family & you love him no matter what - keep in contact wiv DN & SIL & ask what he makes of his SW & how often sees them - if not regular enough, then shout loud for his support needs to be met - maybe get MIL on side wiv this. Seen yp burned this way too (by overworked SW who appear to not care to the yp). Seems to me family known to SS anyway, if other older DN "lives with his grandma", as that can be an arrangement entered into in some cases to keep yp with their family while parent given support.

WellThisIsShit · 05/09/2017 14:07

Poor child, it must be awful for him, watching his wider family and seeing the way the other children are loved and respected and cared for, and knowing he doesn't get that same treatment.

It must be horribly damaging for him.

He probably thinks that he's not as special as his cousins / siblings, as he's the only one who is treated this way.

I think you're right to acknowledge that you cannot continue like this. All the help you and your family give is just sustaining this woman's lifestyle and enabling her to horribly neglect a poor little child who doesn't deserve to be treated like this.

Your help isn't helping the child if he's so malnutritioned his growth is stunted, that's incredibly shocking, and shows whatever level of intervention you and the rest of the family provide, well, it's clearly not enough. I know that you could think that's a harsh thing to say, but you have to get past your own feelings and look at this child's life from his perspective. His siblings and cousins are never abandoned and starved. HIs siblings and cousins have family who love and care for them 24/7. And yet... this child does not have even the basic security of knowing any one single adult will be there for him and put him first. This child is being neglected and abused in front of you all. And I wonder if he will ever understand why. Why when it comes to him, no one helps him and no one will take responsibility for him.

He's lying awake crying for his mum at your house, you are watching abuse happen in front of you. And thank God you've had enough of letting his boy get damaged in front of your eyes. I suspect the rest of the family would have been happy for it to continue ... which is not at all ok as they are putting their own feelings above the plight of a child.

It's so sad that this latest episode of neglect has become about his crying upsetting your children. I know you were focused on how much the child's mother had imposed on you and your family and how rubbish that is, and I agree it's rubbish. And I'm glad you were angry enough about her doing this and the effects on your family to report her to social services.

But what kind of message will this child get? That his upset distressed his cousins and therefore ... what? That he must hide his feelings another time or he won't be 'saved' by you and won't have anyone to look after him? That his little cousins upset must come first, even as he's in awful distress crying for his mother who never came? His mother abandoned him last night. And it must have torn his heart in two poor kid.

Anyway, I'm glad you've done the right thing. I hope social services can find an adult who is willing and able to put the child first. Whether that's the mother stepping up (though she didn't for the other two children so not sure why she'd bother for this one), or whether it's someone else.

Branleuse · 05/09/2017 15:00

youre all just assuming that having social services involvement is going to do good things for the family. It doesnt always. It often just brings much more shit. Im not saying its never warranted, nor am I saying it is not the right thing to do. Im just saying its MASSIVE, and its far too easy for people to just suggest stuff when they wont be the ones dealing with the fallout.

WomblingThree · 05/09/2017 15:18

What's the alternative though Branleuse? Of course social services involvement isn't ideal, but are you suggesting the OP should have just ignored the neglect? This is how children fall through the cracks. This is how children are able to be starved to death by "mothers" like Magdalena Łuczak.

PinkPanther27 · 05/09/2017 15:27

Neglect is one of the most difficult types of abuse to identify and therefore often gets missed (research, not my opinion) so I feel you did the right thing by bringing this to the attention of professionals who have the power to help and put interventions in place. Safeguarding is everyone's responsibility.

charlie2405 · 05/09/2017 15:54

Thanks to everyone for replying. Ss called me back yesterday. Apparently they have logged my concerns. They won't tell me.if he already has a case open but I gathered he does as the school nurses are aware as are school? Not really sure where it'll go from here yet. Apparently Someone will be in touch.
DN(2) lives with GP through family arrangement not SS however there has been previous SS involvement in area they used to live in the past. For the time being I've not mentioned ringing them to DH or MIL.
DH went mental at SIL who tried to fob him off with a sob story about her phone dying and needing time with her DP to resolve their issues. That was contradicted when DH found out they'd had a huge row at the friends house they'd gone too arpund 9pm and he's spent the rest of the night in various pubs getti g more drunk. Sil also went home but didnt think about collecting her child or ringing me!
I really couldn't take DN in long term. My eldest D'S had autism and couldn't handle sharing a room and it's a box room at that anyway. Two youngest will be sharing already when D'S2 is bigger. He loves his DM and is very attached. Turns out he had rang MIL a few nights ago worried about his mum and her DP shouting at her so I think he feels like he needs to be there for her. If he found out it was me that rang SS I don't think he's choose to live with us anyway.

OP posts:
Jg1 · 05/09/2017 17:14

He loves his DM and is very attached. Turns out he had rang MIL a few nights ago worried about his mum and her DP shouting at her so I think he feels like he needs to be there for her

Jeez that just brought me near to tears Sad

If that woman only knew what she was doing to him Angry

Please just carry on being there for him OP. He needs to know someone is Flowers

MachineBee · 05/09/2017 17:19

Ditto

DamsonGin · 05/09/2017 17:33

Even if he is cross at you reporting it, let him know your door's always open for him.

If school and ss already know about him then your reporting might be the piece in the jigsaw that either turns things round for him with his mum or gets him support (with family or otherwise) and a happier life. I hope it turns out okay for him.

flippinada · 05/09/2017 18:37

charlie2405 pleased you got for a call back from SS, even though they're limited in what they can tell you (this was my experience too). From what you've described it sounds like he's already on their radar. So sad that your DN feels like he's responsible for protecting his Mum, but abuse is a complex and difficult thing. Hopefully this means your SIL will get additional support and things will improve for your DN.

Branleuse - I actually do have experience of reporting someone to SS and of the accompanying fallout.

Of course it's a huge thing. I absolutely agonised over the decision. It was a heart rending experience and horrendously stressful for all involved. But even given that, I don't regret it and I would do it again if I had to.

User02 · 05/09/2017 18:58

I agree with flippinada that there is often repercussions when reporting something to SS. They are not the cure all for every wrong in society and they can be instrumental in giving things a good stir up. They have all these ways of putting one family member against another and lots of other things which should not happen when the main focus should be assisting a vulnerable person. Only today there was another case on the News of yet another child being failed by SS