to be annoyed at vaping round children....

[feckoffpeppapig]

This pisses me off!! Just because this isn't classed as a "real" cigarette AIBU to be pissed off when vaping around my babies. Or in any private places such as restaurants,pubs etc.

Ive been to two weddings where a couple where even vaping in CHURCH!!!
And then my niece was making her 1st holy communion and the lady in front was vaping...

I have seen no clinical evidence to suggest its safe.So in the mean time id wish the minority who do it would piss off.

over avoiding vaping (thus normalising drug taking) around children.

Let's never take painkillers around children then!

felicity oh come on........

How can you compare vaping to drug taking?! Jesus christ there are kids in my school who have actual drug taking parents, alcoholic parents, parents that neglect them. Don't lump someone who vapes in with those parents, get a fucking grip....

The biggest problem drugs wise in our society is alcohol, yet it's perfectly acceptable to be 'gin o clock' and say you've had a rough day so deserve a glass of wine. People who vape aren't causing fights because of it, or damaging property, or endangering people by driving, or falling asleep on sofas with kids in the house, or saying / doing things they regret because they aren't in full control.

But it's ok because lovely middle class people buy their wine from waitrose and 'deserve it' because they parented their kids all day. Lets say it for what it is. People think vaping is common.

I'm not saying it's the same as drug taking, especially not in the psychotropic effect sense. And I've not suggested it's comparable in terms of harm to alcohol or drug use so you go and get a fucking grip.
But it's an illustration of an activity with no purpose other than to feed an addction (in this case to nicotine)

And painkillers have an actual purpose, to provide analgesia.

But you could say that about coffee, how many people are addicted to caffeine and 'don't function' without a coffee in a morning?

It just seems that people are out to demonise vapers purely for the fact that they don't like it. Isn't it better to see a parent vaping because they no longer smoke 20 a day? Smoking isn't actually illegal and brings in a hell of a lot of money in tax, yet people hate it and it becomes socially unacceptable.
People quit the cigs using a vape and are then treated exactly the same, it makes no sense!

I'm not saying it's the same as drug taking

Eh? But you said choosing to vape over not vaping is 'normalising drug taking'. You really do need to get a grip.

And many people vape nicotine free liquid fyi....

No one is saying anyone has to like it or fuck off.
It's banned in most pubs and places where people eat, smokers got hoofed out off pubs and didn't kick up a storm about it and I agree that they are much nicer as a result.
How the frig do you manage crossing busy roads when lorries and buses belch out fumes?
Do you all stand and shake your fists at them?

"I'm not saying it's the same as drug taking"

Eh? But you said choosing to vape over not vaping is 'normalising drug taking'. You really do need to get a grip. hmm

I do think it normalises drug taking yes.
That does not mean that I think it's as harmful as smoking cannabis or snorting coke or being pissed.
But it does normalise the use of drug paraphenalia

And just becasue you disagree with me doesn't mean I need to get a grip. No need to be so fucking rude.

Drinking coffee doesn't have the same effect on other people though.

@SoNouveau yes actually. Hence why there is such a push towards electric (and non diesel) vehicles 🙄

See, smoking wasn't banned because 'we just don't know', it was banned because it was proven to be harmful. Vaping hasn't been proven to be harmful. Not difficult.
If someone 'simply can't understand' why people vape where they can't smoke, it's quite simply because vaping is not smoking. Again, really not difficult.
Smoking wasn't banned because people didn't like the clouds or the smell.

Batshit. Totally batshit.

By that definition corkscrews must be considered alcoholic paraphernalia.

In my hotel, vaping isn't allowed. Guests are asked to go outside into the smoking area.

Personally I see vaping as a stepping stone, to go from smoking to not smoking. By adding the inconvenience of only smoking in designated areas, some people smoke less because it's more hassle (or chain smoke while they're out there). If you then choose to vape to help you cut down then surely you should still only vape when/where you would smoke? If you start just doing it anywhere, won't it become more habitual and therefore harder to quit? I'm genuinely asking that btw.

I quit smoking when I fell pregnant so I do understand how hard it is, my DH started vaping to help him quit and it didn't help him :(

I started vaping to stop smoking. I enjoyed smoking v much but wanted a baby so it had to stop. I didn't start vaping with a view to quitting that at any point. Not all vapers do.

I genuinely thought people did it to help them quit rather than as an alternative...

It did help me to quit smoking. 5 years now. It's seen rather as a cheaper, healthier alternative to smoking.

I did it as i couldn't afford to smoke anymore. Not had a real cig for nearly 4 years. Probably won't quit vaping for a long time, if ever. It's cheap, doesn't smell, doesn't give me bronchitis annually and still satisfies the 'habit' element.

When i tried to quit before i replaced cigs with biscuits, put on half a stone and went back in the cigs.

By that definition corkscrews must be considered alcoholic paraphernalia.
Well, they are paraphernalia relating to alcohol yes.
What's your point?

I don't care if people vape. I don't find it offensive and it doesn't make me dislike a person but it looks stupid and I don't like it being done around children.

because we are a healthcare provider and cannot enable people to make choices that are bad for their health.

I'd be very surprised if that wasn't your own interpretation of the policy rather than the hospital's official rationale. Here's why:

A. The smoking ban was about protecting other people from cigarette smoke, not individual's choices, so it would be highly unusual to introduce a policy based on the latter.
B. Hospital's do enable poor health decisions by selling junk food and snacks.
C. Vaping can often look like smoking from a distance so rather than having to deal with every person individually and the mistaken complaints that would ensue, a blanket ban is the more sensible option. Imagine having to determine if every haze you see was cigarette smoke or vapour before you can implement the no smoking rule?

sayyouwill Not really, because the consumption? of nicotine is completely different in vaping and smoking.
So smokers, one big hit at a time (a cigarette) then can go maybe half an hour, maybe three/four hours until that wears off, then they'll have another
Vaping is a much smaller hit at a time, so wears off a lot quicker. It's more little and often than smoking a cigarette.
So it doesn't make sense for a vaper and a smoker to have the same habits, it's a completely different distribution method? (Don't really know how to describe it)

My local hospital has now banned vaping. With the worst misleading campaign and posters ever. They have a poster saying (paraphrased) "smoking and vaping banned, ring this number for help quitting tobacco"
I felt like ringing them and saying I've already quit tobacco, why am I meant to ring you?
Posted their statement etc on another thread and it was basically going completely against any public health England guidelines etc etc

I think that vaping should be allowed anywhere that NRT patches are allowed.

This!

I am a non-smoker, non-vaper btw but I find the irrational response towards vaping utterly mind boggling.

Lots of things look stupid.
You may think vaping looks stupid, I may agree or disagree but that's not a reason to ban it.
And my point is that if a vape normalizes drug abuse then a corkscrew normalizes alcohol abuse.
Both can be considered harmful, a lot of people would disagree with you about cannabis being harmful and a lot of people would say alcohol is harmful.
I say we should decriminalize all drug use and tax them.

But that's a whole new argument.

Lots of things look stupid.
You may think vaping looks stupid, I may agree or disagree but that's not a reason to ban it.
And my point is that if a vape normalizes drug abuse then a corkscrew normalizes alcohol abuse.
Oh, I thought I said that vaping normalises drug use, apologies if I said "abuse"
I think the presence of a corkscrew normalises alcohol consumption.
I do drink alcohol (probably too much)
But I don't start opening bottels of Sancerre when my primary school age children have their frineds round for tea becasue I don't see it as a child friendly activity.