to be annoyed at vaping round children....

[feckoffpeppapig]

This pisses me off!! Just because this isn't classed as a "real" cigarette AIBU to be pissed off when vaping around my babies. Or in any private places such as restaurants,pubs etc.

Ive been to two weddings where a couple where even vaping in CHURCH!!!
And then my niece was making her 1st holy communion and the lady in front was vaping...

I have seen no clinical evidence to suggest its safe.So in the mean time id wish the minority who do it would piss off.

I was directed by health visitor not to have baby around smokers or Valera reason being there isn't enough research conducted about the long term health risks of vaping.

I know myself when I'm around my dad who vapes constantly my throats starts to hurt so I am breathing something in.

Even if vaping doesn't harm anyone's health it still, if only briefly, affects the immediate environment in a way that can be unpleasant for other people. So while it's better than smoking I think that it should be banned in some places.

Isn't that a very short sighted (and illiberal) way of thinking though? Banning something because it harms other people is a sensible and legitimate use of government power, it falls exactly in their remit of protecting our rights (in this instance the right to be free from harm caused by the carcinogens within cigarette smoke). Banning something because you personally find it annoying opens a whole can of worms and while it might suit you when that particular thing is banned you'd have no argument if you were the target rather than the benefactor. Better to live and let live in that scenario rather than everyone thinking they have the "right" to ban anything they don't like instead of only those things that harm them.

It's not even like it's not even illiberal, it's plain illogical.
But, if that's the criteria, it would have to be at the back of the line behind cars, aerosols and perfume.

*Its not even just illiberal.
Loads of random words there

I think people should vape as they smoke - outdoors
I am very chuffed to not smoke but I agree that certain locations (church!) should be vape free

I don't care about mealy mouthed vape haters really . I care that I no longer have. Nasty smokers cough

But, if that's the criteria, it would have to be at the back of the line behind cars, aerosols and perfume.
and scented candles, aromatherapy oils, BBQs, bonfires, fireworks...

Definitely no more roasted chestnuts by any open fires. 😂

But Slarti in some places (like cinemas) some things aren't allowed just because they're annoying to others.

In cinemas we stay quiet, sit still, put our phones on silent and don't use devices with lit screens so we don't annoy or distract others.

One person's vapour blowing in my face a couple of times was bad enough, but imagine if there were fifty people vaping in the cinema all blowing out thick clouds throughout the film. Why should other cinema goers have to watch the film through a haze of steam?

Some ecigs do cause problems for people with illnesses such as asthma.
And yes plug in air fresheners and smoke machines do the same. Asthma is a common illness. Some ecigs I am fine to be around, others are awful and make me wheezy.

I don't know why some people are being so obtuse. Admissions to A&E for respiratory conditions go up after the 5 th of November, if the air is still and all the smoke has not dispersed. I was told by my consultant to stay well away from bonfires.
Lots of people are affected by those things. But they can avoid them. Would be good if we can avoid the very smelly ecigs too. Or that the worse ones are banned. Because some are fine.

It's really not a big deal though.
Someone was doing something you didn't like, you asked them to stop, they apologised, and... er.. stopped.
Hardly proof of something needing to be outlawed.

brasty People are being 'obtuse' because 'not knowing' is not a reason to ban something.
cigarettes were banned not because we 'didn't know' but precisely because we did know.
I don't know why people are behaving as though this is difficult to understand, It's not difficult.

I am not arguing about banning something because we do not know something.
I am saying that some ecigs do affect people with respiratory problems. The ones that smell strongly and produce big puffs of smoke. Not all do.
They should either be banned or only used in places that smoking is allowed.

Would be good if we can avoid the very smelly ecigs too.
You can avoid them in the only option open to me to avoid bonfire smoke, stay in your home with the windows closed

brasty then you would have to extend that to aerosols being only allowed where smoking is allowed.
Because it's the same thing (can cause breathing problems, whilst not being smoking)

I am saying that some ecigs do affect people with respiratory problems.

Can you provide references to support that claim please?

The ones that smell strongly and produce big puffs of smoke. Not all do

Uhm OK. So nothing to do with the active contents of the vapour but how it looks and smells. I await your supporting evidence with interest but it sounds suspiciously like you're just making things up to support your personal bias.

They should either be banned or only used in places that smoking is allowed.

So we force those who are using vaping to try and avoid being included in the 50% of smokers who will die of smoking related illness to use smoking areas and thus be exposed to secondhand smoke. That seems logical and fair, not!

I don't know why some people are being so obtuse. Admissions to A&E for respiratory conditions go up after the 5 th of November, if the air is still and all the smoke has not dispersed. I was told by my consultant to stay well away from bonfires.
Lots of people are affected by those things. But they can avoid them. Would be good if we can avoid the very smelly ecigs too. Or that the worse ones are banned. Because some are fine.

Respiratory problems on 5th November are caused by smoke not water vapour.

In my experience of managing vape shops for four years and two asthmatics in my family as well as a fair amount of asthmatic customers, vaping high VG ejuice does help their asthma, not worse. One of my colleagues is asthmatic and subohms, so big cloud vaping. His inhaler usage has gone down to almost daily to a couple of times in a month. Customers with COPD has also found their symptoms more manageable.

This is in reference to asthmatics that have smoked previously however.

In my experience the most harm I have seen from vaping is nicotine overdose, in other words too strong a nicotine ejuice, pg intolerance, heartburn from menthol ejuice and mouth ulcers from those with abrnorml Ph level in their mouths.

If someone who has asthma smoked cigarettes and now vapes,their asthma would have got better. Cigarettes are much worse.

Yes aerosols affect my breathing, but they are easily avoided.
Obviously some of you will never accept when I say that some vaping does affect my breathing. That is okay if it is easy to avoid, But if people vape in restaurants, cinemas, at work, etc, then it is not easy to avoid.

"A small but disturbing study published last summer found that vaping indoorseven in a well-ventilated roomreleases ultrafine particles and potentially carcinogenic hydrocarbons into the air. “Our data confirm that e-cigarettes are not emission-free,” the authors wrote. Still, studies of exhaled vapor find that such emissions turn up at concentrations so low they may not pose much of a health risk to bystanders (or vapers)."

www.popsci.com/ask-us-anything-secondhand-vaping-harmful-your-health

And if you look online, no one can agree if it is safe to vape around children.

brasty
The problem with googling and pulling up small scale studies is that you can always come across something that backs a view point, but doesn't give the whole picture.
For instance, I could use this and say this is why perfume should be wholesale banned
scientific American toxic perfumess*

Perfume, btw, definitely causes me breathing issues and I can't avoid it in enclosed spaces or restaurants. If restaurants wanted to ban people wearing it I'd be happy to support them. However I also realise that wholesale banning of it isn't an appropriate reaction.

I've recently started vaping. It's been the only successful way I've quit smoking after 15 years of 40 a day. However I don't do it anywhere I wouldn't have had a ciggie. I even go outside at home as I don't think it's been tested enough yet to know it's definitely not toxic to passive inhalers. I also don't want to do it around my kids

Well I don't see it as a big ask for people not to vape in places like restaurants, cinemas and work.

The problem with googling and pulling up small scale studies.....

....is that you post something that actually counters the position you're trying to argue. I wonder if Brasty actually bothered to read past the first 2 sentences.