Should I have rang non-emergency police. DS1 verbally attacked.

[TwoMummyPigs]

I took DS1 (12) and DS2 (11) to get their school shoes yesterday. We got on the bus and downstairs was busy so went to sit upstairs. We sit at the very back, with my partner.

Two stops later there was a bang on the side of the bus as it pulled up to the stop. I thought someone had been hit as there was shouting. Turns out this young girl had ran at the bus and hit the doors. She was about 12/13 and with a friend of about 14/15 and a boy of the same age.

A few minutes later they come upstairs and are visibly dissapointed that we are at the back.

This girl is SO loud and mouthy. She dramatically runs up the aisle and plonks her self down on the last seat before ours.
She is shouting about how she had stormed out after hitting her dad and screaming at her friend about 'not being allowed to fucking talk!' She was awful. Everyone on the bus were exchanging glances.

Now my sons don't go places without me. They are very polite and reserved.

My DS was sat behind her, facing my gf as the seats at the back face each other.

Whilst she is hollering and shouting my DS and GF are talking about something completely unrelated and DS laughs.
Next thing I know this girl gets up, comes round the seat and leans down into DS and starts shouting "what the fuck are you laighing about?? You know nothing about my life. Who the fuck do you think you are?"

I leaned forwards and put my hand against her shoulder (not pushing her just creating a barrier) and told her to back off and leave him alone.

She then turns on me. She put her face literally ab INCH away from mine and started the same shit with me. My gf stood up and told her to basically piss off and she had brass balls and carried on shouting.

She storms off and sits halfway down the bus and starts shouting about 'people listening into her private conversations'

So I say 'no body wanted to listen to your drama love but you were screaming loud enough for the whole bus to hear and he wasn't laughing at you!"

The bus driver came up and made them go downstairs (the older girl was just laughing the whole time but the older boy did try to control the littler one) He didn't even kick them off the bus!

DS said he was ok but he looked a little shaken and they did say on the way back he hoped she wasn't on the bus home.

Should I have done more? Complained to the driver? Called 101? She was so aggressive and out of order.

So because not all kids have good home lives then it's perfectly acceptable for them to behave any old way they want?? You do remember I did say that by reporting to police then this behaviour may alert the relevant services if such issues exist.

Who once said that.

Grand ole your comedic value is the only value your bringing to this thread

OMG it's fucking painful to talk to some people.
Has ANYONE on the thread said its perfectly acceptable? Or anything remotely like that?
Go or, read through it, ask a grown up to help you with the long words. We'll wait and then you can apologise for your rude assumptions.

My response was to grandOle..

MrsTrent I'm a police officer and trust me, the scenario in your head would not happen in real life. For a minor incident I would not be spending hours trawling through unrelated incidents miles from the location of the offence I was investigating on the off chance I may find a similar description.

Different for very serious offences, but not things like this.

grandOle

You haven't actually offered any constructive advice other than to ridicule the OP, diminish and trivialise the actions of this girl and to ridicule posters who don't happen to agree with you.

Nicknacky

And therein lies the problem and why many people have no faith in the police. How can you decide how trivial an incident is? Isn't that up to the victim to decide?

walking

what do you expect them to do? Get their crystal balls out?

I'm sure if they were sat twiddling their thumbs all day they'd have a go, but since they barely have the resources to actually investigate the actual serious crimes that go on, I hardly think it's fair to say this is why people have no faith.

walking Is that actually a serious question? I think common sense will tell you the crime will be categorised according to its seriousness and no, that's not up to the victim. Naturally victims would want teams of investigators but that's not proportionate or realistic.

You obviously wouldn't resource and investigate a common assume with minor injury in the same way you would an attempt murder. Let's be realistic here.

I understand about the lack of funding and the issues that raises. But they are a public service and funded by the public. I expect them to listen to the concerns of the public. If someone did retaliate on this girl for example, you can bet your bottom dollar the police would get involved then!

There is a much wider issue here and police resources and crime which is not a remit of this thread. This thread is about a family who were verbally abused on public transport. If the OP felt intimidated or frightened by the event then she has every right to report to the police and as a police officer Nicky I feel you need to be careful how you represent the force. I have been told by officers to report everything as it does get logged.

With respect, it doesn't sound like you understand because if you did you would realise what you're saying is just not doable. For the police to investigate every report to the extent you think is acceptable then we would need thousands more of them.

And yes if someone did retaliate then I would expect them to get involved, as assault is an actual serious crime.

I have zero concerns about how I represent my force as I am not saying anything that brings it into disrepute and I'm so well versed in our social media policy that I wouldn't.

But you clearly have in unrealistic expectation which I was trying to explain to you.

And walking logging is not the magical system that mumsnetters seem to think it is. It doesn't marry up unrelated incidents and the info quite often goes no where as it is not a police matter.

I'm not saying to investigate I'm saying to log.....in case this girl has done it before or something else happens. This is what the police tell us to do.. it's not that physical assault is more important than verbal....that is why the police are being encouraged to take these things more seriously , because of those effects. Don't forget, the police used to ignore the seriousness of domestic violence, they now don't.

So you're saying what police officers have told me is a lie.......sorry but this is why people do retaliate.

They don't know who she is. So if 'something else happens' there's no way to marry it up to this girl. If everyone started ringing 101 about every verbal altercation they'd had there'd be a dramatic increase in calls and it wouldn't be sustainable.

I get what you're saying, it's antisocial behaviour and it's not nice for the OP. Yes something should be done about it. But there's nothing to be done. It's just a sad unfortunate fact.

Where did I say the police officers lied? Some things like neighbour disputes etc are absolutely better to be logged as it can easily be show a pattern of behaviour, but not every encounter that is unpleasant needs to be logged with the police. Again, common sense prevails.

so many on here that simply don't know what they are talking about-yes the police are interested, and yes they can trace her, and yes you can report if you want to.

monkey So how long have you been a police officer?

You have said that the police don't log every complaint, I have been told they do. Someone is lying.

So, if I go home on the bus and a man verbally abuses me I should just ignore it??

I think society is in big trouble.

Funny that since there's a police officer on here saying otherwise.

How can she be traced? Girl on bus is a bit of a broad description don't you think? And where are the resources to trace a single incident of anti-social behaviour coming from?

Unless OP lives in a Hot Fuzz sort of town it isn't going to happen.

You have said that the police don't log every complaint, I have been told they do.

She didn't say that.

So the bus driver who was verbally abused on his bus...that passenger has had his image circulated from CCTV. How is that different?