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AIBU?

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AIBU - Nursery

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sk505 · 29/08/2017 18:36

My daughter is 16months and goes to nursery twice a week.
In our religion, girls' nappies are not changed by boys and girls must be dressed with dignity. nursery are aware of this.
Today, I went to fetch her and she was running around in just a nappy. No clothes at all. This was extremely upsetting as I know male members of staff walk through and around the nursery. I'm not making any personal comments or any judgements, but it is against our religion. It transpires that her clothes were all clean. Her spare clothes were available and she has been well behaved. No one knows why she was without clothes for over an hour.
AIBU to cause a storm over this,?

OP posts:
Notreallyarsed · 29/08/2017 20:19

NotIdiotProof as long as the women in question adhere to your way. Grin

sk505 · 29/08/2017 20:19

As mentioned before. They said they saw her clothes on the changing table and don't know why she was undressed. The manager is investigating.

OP posts:
stella23 · 29/08/2017 20:20

Actually thinking about it some more, I really don't think with such extreme views that you have op you should be accessing any type of nursery or childminding services.

I think you should really think about what you are saying and how you are discriminating against male nursery workers.
Can you imagine how they must feel.
Kick up all you want, but if it was my nursery, you wouldn't be allowed to discrimate against my staff

blackteasplease · 29/08/2017 20:21

No one is sneering at the OP!

But freedom of religion vests in the individual not the family unit. An individual has a right to practice their chosen religion. A child has a right to comfortable and healthy.

thatdearoctopus · 29/08/2017 20:21

OP, you said, she has been well behaved, as if poor behaviour might have been a reason for her being unclothed. What did you mean?

insancerre · 29/08/2017 20:22

I'm a nursery manager and I'm sorry but I couldn't agree to any of the ops requests
No male workers to change nappies? Illegal and probably impossible to implement
Babies fully clothed to respect their dignity? No, sorry, we had ours down to their nappies for water play today

NotIdiotProof · 29/08/2017 20:22

NotIdiotProof as long as the women in question adhere to your way

Sorry, has this female baby given her opinion on the subject then?

Notreallyarsed · 29/08/2017 20:22

Can you please explain how wearing a thin tshirt and shorts would be uncomfortable and unhealthy?
It's ironic that people are banging on about rights while completely attacking a woman for practicing her religion which is a right too.

sk505 · 29/08/2017 20:22

By 'well behaved' I m any that she did not resist getting her clothes on, and did not remove her own clothes.

I know the above because I asked.

OP posts:
simpaticasimpatica · 29/08/2017 20:22

OP your reluctance to mention this religion is (for me) casting doubt on the truthfulness of the story. If you feel so strongly about this mishap in the nursery you clearly feel strongly about your "religion" yet you're not prepared to mention it after posting for advice?

I think you're a Scientologist

Notreallyarsed · 29/08/2017 20:23

NotIdiotProof her mother has, who has a lot more to do with her child's welfare than you do!

mowgeli · 29/08/2017 20:23

Answer the big question. What religion are you?

Do you have a contract in place for how your daughters care needs are met?

Would you prefer her to overheat in the temperatures we had today or would you prefer her to be comfortable?

Why did you choose the nursery if you didn't want her around males?

And I pose this question to you too, do you feel that this is the sexualisation of a child way before it is necessary? I'm not asking this to provoke you I am simply asking whether or not modesty is actually just a PC way of saying sexuality?

TheLittleShirt · 29/08/2017 20:23

UpYouGo
I didn't actually say whether or not I agree with the OP, I just merely mentioned that we did not need to interrogate her as to what her religion is.

blackteasplease · 29/08/2017 20:23

This baby girl has the same rights to be comfortable in warm (and all kinds of) weather as the children of aetheists.

Imposing rules that state otherwise because she is female are discriminatory and therefore it's incumbent on anyone who is truly liberal and truly values freedoms to speak up against it.

clairethewitch70 · 29/08/2017 20:24

Are you Michelle Duggar or one of her daughters?

I understand that modesty is part of your belief system, but men work in nurseries also and do the same job as otherwise it is discrimination. Maybe a nursery is not the right place for your DD.

NotIdiotProof · 29/08/2017 20:25

Come to think of it there was a wee little girl at my son's nursery back when we had those scorching hot days in June who was not allowed to take off her long sleeved top due to her mother not wanting her uncovered (this was indoors, no danger of sunburn).

Perhaps she was of the same mystery religion. Either way, I felt sorry for the poor mite.

silkybear · 29/08/2017 20:25

I thought scientology too Confused

MsMommie · 29/08/2017 20:26

No religion on earth requires a 16month old baby to be dressed 'modestly' or made it forbidden for a baby to walk around in just a nappy.

Culture and religion are two entirely different things OP.

Raise a fuss if you must.

NotIdiotProof · 29/08/2017 20:26

And also not, you are assuming I have no religion.

sk505 · 29/08/2017 20:26

I can't give too much info without outing myself.
But we send her to a nursery with a 1:1 ratio. It's a private one in central London with a large variety of faiths and religions.
Her key worker on looks after her, just like a Nanny would.

The issues regarding clothing were mentioned and agreed upon.

OP posts:
Notreallyarsed · 29/08/2017 20:26

blackteasplease OPs definition of what is ok would allow for light clothing/shorts/cotton top. How is that uncomfortable? She's also stated that the nursery is air conditioned to 19 degrees.

Truly liberal? By telling people they're wrong and you're right and they have to agree with you? That's not liberal. That's dictatorial.

blackteasplease · 29/08/2017 20:27

An adult over 18 is entitled to dress exactly as they like, including in a full headscarf, burqa, whatever (unless they are some specific situation that requires that the face be seen such as some jobs, giving evidence in court, security checks etc)

A child has a right to be protected from discriminatory clothing rules that impose more onerous rules on one sex than the other.

BlueThesaurusRex · 29/08/2017 20:27

Hmmm... Brethren?

Notreallyarsed · 29/08/2017 20:27

NotIdiotProof how have I assumed that? I said no such thing.

Nuttynoo · 29/08/2017 20:27

My best friends are muslim, (burkha wearing) too OP and wouldn't give two hoots about their 16 month old daughters running around in their nappies. 'Dressing with dignity' only applies to women who have passed puberty.

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