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Smoking vs Vaping

159 replies

Ttbb · 25/08/2017 11:39

AIBU to find gaping more annoying than smoking? I know that a lot of people use it to quit smoking but then they just see to get hooked on vaping instead. On top of it they seem less ashamed than smokers when walking around blowing clouds of vapor all over the place. I find both habits disgusting and antisocial but most people seem to dislike smoking more. Am I the only one?

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7Days · 02/09/2017 01:11

Slow clap sounds kind of undermining.

Titanz · 02/09/2017 01:13

Slow clap is what people do at the end of a film when something particularly poignant happens... then it cascades into a full blown clap. I'm not sure why that's undermining. Fucks sake.

7Days · 02/09/2017 01:17

Chill out Titanz. Sounds like a misunderstanding on my part. I read it as similar to slow hand clap - thats my frame of reference. So wondered why.

Titanz · 02/09/2017 01:31

I'm chilled me mate, sorry if that doesn't come across in my posts. Oh god no defo not what you're on about.

theymademejoin · 02/09/2017 01:35

No they really didn't learn that because there was no unflavoured control.
They used one with nicotine and no flavour, one with favour and no nicotine and one with both nicotine and flavour. That's two with flavours, one without.

'Electronic-cigarettes (e-cigs) represent a significant and increasing proportion of tobacco product consumption' - eliquid contains no tobacco, they are not a tobacco product any more than NRT is. Nicotine is a tobacco product. It is extracted from plants in the tobacco family.

e-cig aerosols compared to conventional cigarette smoke - this study does not compare the two. - they are referring to a previous study. Perfectly acceptable science.

Conventional cigarette smoke has been shown to cause deleterious effects on oral and periodontal health [10]. However, the role of e-cig vaping and its association with carbonyl stress, inflammation, and DNA damage-triggered senescence on oral/periodontal epithelium remains unknown. - what thought process went into even comparing the two when the only thing they have in common really is nicotine content? - They are saying smoking causes this problem but there is no research yet as to whether e-cigs do. Again, a perfectly reasonable statement.

Just because the study is not constructed as you believe it should be, does not make it a poor study. They state what they are studying and report on it accurately. All the claims they are making in their paper are based on an accurate analysis of the data they have gathered.

My point is that vapers claim it is safe. Studies are suggesting that it is not safe. It is likely considerably safer than smoking. However, there is insufficient evidence to claim it is safe and until longitudinal studies are done, why should non-smokers be put at risk for the comfort and pleasure of vapers?

Oh, and I'm not a chemist. Never claimed to be one either.

theymademejoin · 02/09/2017 01:42

Pencil - I'm not in the uk.

I have no professional interest in any of the areas you mention but I do dislike seeing biased science being pushed as gospel by publicly funded bodies.

I am concerned about the effects of vaping as it's increasing in prevalence and there are no longitudinal studies done on its safety. I am concerned that it will become so normalised that if adverse effects are found, it will take a similar length of time to smoking for controls to kick in.

Enjoy your holiday.

ImaLannister · 02/09/2017 02:43

Lots of things are bad for us, but we still do it. Who's to say vaping is bad for us? You don't know that.
Alcohol is bad for us, but guess what we still love a good drink. There is cancer causing ingredients in every day foods! We are eating it.
notanothernc - I bet you DH/DP in your life has a slight hold over you....how pathetic.
Many things have holds over us.

thebigbluedustbin · 02/09/2017 03:09

No way of knowing if vaping safer than smoking as no long term clinical trials yet.

PencilsInSpace · 02/09/2017 06:25

They used one with nicotine and no flavour, one with favour and no nicotine and one with both nicotine and flavour. That's two with flavours, one without.

No. They used Classic Tobacco, 16 mg nicotine; and Magnificent Menthol, zero nicotine and the control was air. No unflavoured control.

Really going now.

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