Smoking vs Vaping

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AIBU to find gaping more annoying than smoking? I know that a lot of people use it to quit smoking but then they just see to get hooked on vaping instead. On top of it they seem less ashamed than smokers when walking around blowing clouds of vapor all over the place. I find both habits disgusting and antisocial but most people seem to dislike smoking more. Am I the only one?

I am not ashamed of vaping either.. I am rather proud of it, actually.

I have no plans on ever giving it up. Don't like it, tough? I was made to feel ashamed for smoking but I'm never going to feel bad for vaping. It might well have saved me from dying at a young age and I'm healthier than I have ever been.

People wanted to shame smokers and that was at least a bit understandable as it could harm bystanders. Now people want to shame vapers. People just don't like the fact that ex smokers have found an easy way to quit which is enjoyable. It isn't going anywhere so get used to it. Not everyone blows big clouds of vape either.

Bollocks to being about to smell vape for a while after. It's untrue. The slight smell vanishes in seconds.

Applauds U2.

'I think vaping is far too new to know how safe it is, for years smoking was hailed as safe and a cure for many things so I don't think we should blindly trust that'

Don't vape then. There's no 'we' about it. You trust who and what you want to trust, and others will do likewise.

Expat in.....when capers walk down the street vaping massive clouds of smoke it affects everyone. You can't get away from that. Other people think it's disgusting...you can't get away from that either.

Vapers not capers..

Other people find just about everything disgusting - BO (or just not taking a shower every hour, plenty of threads on here from people who claim they can smell anyone who hasn't showered in the past hour), the smell of crisps or other food (reams of threads about that), the sound of people eating food in their vicinity (more threads), music (even through headphones), chewing gum, car fumes, perfume on others, etc etc. People just can't get away from each other. So we all just have to sort of rub along.

Pencilsinspace.....myeh right..they used to think cigarettes were healthy too. People have only been smoking these disgusting vape things for a short space of time....give it five, ten years or longer...then the evidence will start to come out.

You didn't read it did you?

It's not smoke. That's the whole point.

We all agree that e-cigarettes are significantly less harmful than smoking. One in 2 lifelong smokers dies from their addiction. All of the evidence suggests that the health risks posed by e-cigarettes are relatively small by comparison but we must continue to study the long term effects.

And yet, millions of smokers have the impression that e-cigarettes are at least as harmful as tobacco and we have a responsibility to provide clear information on the facts as we know them to be. It is our duty to provide reassurance for the 1.1 million e-cigarette users who have completely stopped smoking to prevent their relapse.
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We should not forget what is important here. We know that smoking is the number one killer in England and we have a public health responsibility to provide smokers with the information and the tools to help them quit smoking completely and forever.

PHE has always been very clear on its commitment to providing up to date information on the emerging evidence on e-cigarettes, as shown in the recent review which is the third in this area in the last 2 years. This commitment drove PHE and Cancer Research UK to set up the UK E-cigarette Research Forum. PHE is honouring its longstanding promise to monitor and share the evidence, providing clear messages to the public.

There is no circumstance in which it is better for a smoker to continue smoking – a habit that kills 1 in every 2 and harms many others, costing the NHS and society billions every year. We will continue to share what we know and address what we don’t yet know, to ensure clear, consistent messages for the public and health professionals.

Public Health England
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Association of Directors of Public Health
British Lung Foundation
Cancer Research UK
Faculty of Public Health
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Royal College of Physicians
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UK Centre for Tobacco and Alcohol Studies
UK Health Forum

(from here)

All those other things you mention don't affect other people's health tho do they? When my young son gets covered in vape innocently walking down the street he has a coughing fit and says he feels sick. Thanks for that.

As always I'm completely with U2 on the issue of vaping. Dh has probably extended his life by switching to vaping, having failed for 30 years to quit smoking. He also smells much better. If people object to the mere 'habit' of it, it's probably on a par with drinking caffeine if you want to stop people drinking coffee too. Much happier for people to vape around me than smoke. Yab spectacularly u op.

From UK govt. guidance: E-cigarettes in public places and workplaces: a 5-point guide to policy making

2. Ensure policies are based on evidence of harm to bystanders

The evidence of harm from secondhand smoke is conclusive and provides the basis for UK smokefree laws. In contrast, international peer-reviewed evidence indicates that the risk to the health of bystanders from secondhand e-cigarette vapour is extremely low and insufficient to justify prohibiting e-cigarettes. This evidence should inform risk assessments.

'All those other things you mention don't affect other people's health tho do they?'

Sure they do! People report getting headaches and coughing fits from other people's perfume, car fumes, BO, incense coming from other people's open windows, BBQs, etc etc. But hey ho, it's part of living among other people. They do stuff.

We had a stealthy vaper in the office for ages, nobody had any headaches or coughs. An open vaper jojned, two people suffered headaches and coughs. Intrigued, I checked their vaping liquids, they were identical. Open vaper was told to stop and turned stealthy vaper 2. Stealthy vaper 1 continued. Headaches disappeared.

All those other things you mention don't affect other people's health tho do they? When my young son gets covered in vape innocently walking down the street he has a coughing fit and says he feels sick. Thanks for that.

Covered in vape! He doesn't get covered in vape does he? He might occasionally walk past someone vaping.

You should be grateful really. Can you imagine how much worse it would be if people who weren't vaping were still smoking? Your little boy would have been having worse coughing fits whilst being exposed to a dangerous substance.

We get it. You don't like smokers. Now it's getting harder to look down on them because so many people have made the decision to vape instead. You don't like it. You want us to quit cold turkey and be miserable. That would be a suitable punishment for us dirty addicts.

Instead we quit smoking and we are happy and enjoying vaping and we aren't ashamed like you want us to be. I am sure you were one of the many people who moaned that smokers were killing themselves and also killing you, while telling us how disgusting we were. We listened and we changed to something less dangerous. You don't like that either.

Make your peace with it. It's not going away. You will be a lot happier if you learn to accept it. All the moaning in the world is not going to shame us or make us quit vaping.

We simply aren't ashamed. We are never going to be.

Bravo, U2!

I don't know if yabu, I don't think people should feel 'ashamed' of smoking or vaping. I think both are pointless habits, but then we all have our habits that give us a bit of enjoyment and relief, who's to say you're right and they're wrong?

I don't trust vaping though. I don't believe it's safe I think we're just yet to know all the health implications.

Haha agree with expat, other people perfume, smelly food, car fumes, coughing, sneezing, body odour, farting, scratching their arses might annoy me, but that's just life isn't it?

Don't like capers either, nasty little things but at least they don't smell.
On the note of vaping being safe, the heat from the steam will inevitably cause a few gene mutations, occasionally this will be one cancer but without the carcinogenic chemicals I doubt that it is that unsafe in the grand scheme of things. Then there are the usual I'll eff cts of nicotine but many people need it to quit, not much if a difference between vaping and using a patch in that respect. Not really healthy either though. Vaping is entirely banned in some countries because their safety is unclear and governments are worried about people taking up vaping in itself not as an attempt to quit.
However, following the revelation that you don't have to blow huge clouds of steam the vapers that do seem even more inconsiderate.

U2

Your lad seems a bit dramatic as well ttbb

Pencils...."we must continue to study the long term effects"...that's enough evidence for me that they don't know what they are talking about...yet

U2....if course he gets covered in vape, we are talking about massive massive clouds of vape here that cover ten or twenty people around them. I will not make my peace with people who enforce dirty horrible vape on me, how ridiculous. Vapers are like smokers, they are oblivious to what is going on around them and how it affects others.

Ttbb I can't help but notice you seem to be quite uptight in lots of your posts.

It's worth remembering that you can't control everyone around you, people usually don't mean to offend you.

I'm more addicted to my vapour than I ever was to smoking. I should really seek to cut down on it at some point - I'm vaping right now, in fact, when I'm not at work in vaping pretty much constantly throughout the day. I'm not ashamed of it though! YABU

I could vape right next to you on the bus and you wouldn't notice. Tiny vape, all vapour inhaled, none breathed out, quiet noise you wouldn't hear over the engine, and possibly (possibly) a very faint whiff of scent after a little while, fainter than perfume which is specifically designed to emit an (unpleasant, in most cases, IMO) odour that a nearby person could smell. Nobody knows what's in perfumes, and when a freshly-showered person sits down next to me, I smell their shampoo, their fabric softener, their perfume, their deodorant, their stinky leather handbag, sometimes the makeup on their face. I don't enjoy it but it's life isn't it?

Steam causes genetic mutations?

I'll effects from nicotine? Not really. On a par with caffeine and there is evidence to suggest it function as a sort of Neuro protector.

There are about 4 ingredients in vape juice. They are well known and well studied. They are not being set on fire with 2 thousand more additives and the fumes inhaled. There is no evidence. If some turns up that will be studied. That's science.

This is all some puritan type notion that if it's fun there must be something wrong. Pleasure is suspicious.

the heat from the steam will inevitably cause a few gene mutations

What on earth are you talking about?

The reason they are banned in lots of countries is that not everywhere has a fully developed public health system so they are reliant on advice from people like WHO who have, in recent years, published some shockingly poor stuff on this topic.

There is no evidence of never smokers taking up vaping. Vapers are almost without exception either ex-smokers or current smokers. The picture is the same amongst children. There might be a bit of experimentation going on but no regular use among children who were not already smokers.