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"If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention." Trump threads continued [title edited by MNHQ]

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lionheart · 18/08/2017 23:43

I'm paying attention.

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NotUriGeller · 19/08/2017 09:09

I am outraged. And trying to pay attention. Sometimes it just seems like too much bad stuff and easier to stick head in the sand. But that is how terrible things are allowed to happen so no more.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/08/2017 09:12

lweji I hadn't considered that - that would make sense

Launderetta · 19/08/2017 09:12

Hi all, thank you for another informative thread.
I too have been anti Trump since he started down the political road; firstly mildly entertained & confident in his failure, then disbelieving, now increasingly angry & terrified every day.
My question is - what is Tillerson doing there now? I'd have thought he would have resigned by now; forgetting about his oil background, he is (was?) principled in other areas.

Wishing you all a safe weekend, whichever side of the Pond you are on.

Natsku · 19/08/2017 09:18

Finland attack has now been confirmed as terrorism :(

My friend is ok thank goodness.

Nerfballs · 19/08/2017 09:22

Thanks Northwest :)

Off to read about Pence now, have to admit I haven't looked into him too closely.

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/08/2017 09:23

launderetta I'm not sure he is principled.

The state department is shockingly understaffed, he's considering removing "promoting democracy" from the state department's goals, has been very secretive by refusing to travel with press corps and he is complicit with facilitating trump. Plus the having an order of friendship from putin and behaving in a way that appears to put Russian interests over American ones thing not a fan

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/08/2017 09:28

Some other things going on:

Sarah Kendzior
Sarah Kendzior @sarahkendzior
Looks like Trump advisor Carl Icahn, who resigned today, may be in legal trouble
t.co/tIhTnfxzsF?amp=1

Binyamin Appelbaum
Binyamin Appelbaum @BCAppelbaum
1 Trump names bottled water industry lawyer to Interior.

2 Interior ends ban on bottled water in national parks.

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/energy-environment/wp/2017/08/17/national-parks-banned-bottled-water-to-ease-pollution-trump-just-sided-with-the-lobby-that-fought-it/

And on a more positive note:

www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/opinions/global-opinions/russias-election-meddling-backfired--big-time/2017/08/17/e7ee4b74-837f-11e7-ab27-1a21a8e006ab_story.html

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LadyTy · 19/08/2017 09:31

Joining the crowd of delurkers, this is my first post on MN! Thank you to all the regular posters for keeping us informed. First thing in the morning I go to the BBC website and then head to these threads to get the details. I've been outraged for a while about the rise in hatred and intolerance we're seeing: the attitudes towards refugees; Brexit and now Trump and white supremacism in the US. It has spurred me on to get more involved in some refugee rights and anti-racism organisations, and I'm hopeful that current events are inspiring more people to take constructive action, but the situation is still very troubling.

On a happier note, I'd also like to thank these threads for reintroducing me to Stephen Colbert. Compassion, humour, brains and beauty, that man is the complete package!

DamnDeDoubtanceIsSpartacus · 19/08/2017 09:35

Wonderful thread title.

Lets hope this thread brings us closer to a Trump Free World.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 19/08/2017 09:43

The bottled water stuff - Angry but not surprised.

Welcome LadyTy - I think you'll find a few other posters have their (ahem) eyes on Mr. Colbert! Grin

2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 19/08/2017 09:49

Adding my thanks to the regular contributors. In truth I find it very difficult to keep up a lot of the time but I really welcome the insights and greater detail on these threads than you get in the main news.
Keep up the good work , I am sure you have influence somewhere.

Nerfballs · 19/08/2017 09:53

Thanks Pain that'll keep me busy!

DailyMaui · 19/08/2017 09:55

Long, long time lurker, although I think I may have posted back in the mists of time.

I have watched the rise of racism and facist appreciation with increasing horror. I'm just encouraged that so many are calling it out, yet depressed there are many willing to stay silent. Or indeed openly support them. I still can't believe Trump was elected. Every time he opens his mouth I cringe. He's like a comedy President in a really bad armageddon-style film. If only. It's terrifying that he's real.

Years ago I lived on an estate in North Kensington that was totally white. Not one single black person. Now, this was Notting Hill/Ladbroke grove in the Eighties... a particularly multicultural area. (it was a policy of the RBKC to segregate their estates, years of keeping the poorest of the poor more downtrodden and powerless).

A huge number of people who lived on that estate were openly racist, very public supporters of the National Front and the British movement. Most of the kids my age and above were skinheads and chanted Zeig Heil, did the Nazi salute, had swastikas tattooed on their heads/arms/legs. It was sickening and really frightening. Because we came from Scotland we were also hated foreigners and we were constantly told to "fuck off back to your own country." They wanted England to be solely for people who could prove that they were pure English for several generations (yeah, good luck with that...) We moved, I stopped knowing people like that, I thought that the world had moved on. The estate became more ethnically representative of the wider area. The racists were like deluded old dinosaurs, stuck in a hate filled bubble of their own making. I'd still see the occasional far right march attempt in London and there'd be a handful of angry, ageing skins, outnumbered by police, getting jeered from the roadside. I really naively thought worshipping Nazi's was dying out.

What Brexit and Trump have done is make it acceptable to spout prejudice and be openly racist. My brother's friend made racist comments at a party we were at. We had a huge row but I was shocked at the vitriol and hate from someone I would have thought knew better. I watched a family waiting for a train to Gatwick scream racist abuse at some black people just sitting on a bench. I had to get out of a taxi because the driver started raging about "fucking pakis." My friend was abused in a supermarket for being black, a work colleague pushed about on a bus... numerous incidents. This is only since last June. I've been attacked on twitter countless time because I'm openly critical of Trump, Farage and the rest of that despicable lot. Now I realise it was me who lived in a bubble and that prejudice just burbles under the surface of too many people.

I once worked with a man who had been in a concentration camp. I was 19 and naively asked him about the numbers on his arm. I should have known but I was stupid and didn't put two and two together that the elderly polish co-worker may have been involved in WW2. He lost every single person he knew because of the Nazis, every member of his family, all their friends. He said he kept the tattoo because he wanted to remember the hate so he could live with love. He would have found Trump's America utterly abhorrent.

Rhodiolia · 19/08/2017 10:00

Great video by Amy Siskind
www.facebook.com/moveon/videos/10154696769810493/?hc_location=ufi

Boopear · 19/08/2017 10:03

Delurking as well. Love these threads! And to share this excellent take down of trump's 'jobs creation' nonsense:

mobile.twitter.com/monolithic87/status/898206930161848320/video/1

sheeela · 19/08/2017 10:07

That kind of racism is unfortunately always bubbling under the surface. It's important to put it in some kind of wider context, I think. Hating 'others' always peaks at times of economic hardship and austerity. Not only is it no accident, it was entirely predictable that the economic crash would lead directly to the rise of racist attacks. Austerity policies and divide and rule always enable the far right. Easy to persuade the stupid poor that the 'other' are to blame, not the rich.

orlantina · 19/08/2017 10:10

Love this video.

Trump adviser gets owned by MSNBC

OuaisMaisBon · 19/08/2017 10:13

If something happens to Trump (as in: he's taken away by men in white coats, he resigns, he's forced out somehow) and he is no longer President, what will the 63 million odd people who voted for him do if Pence is then put into the White House? Is Pence who they voted for? How might they react to him, I wonder?
Best way to "drain the swamp" is by removing the crocodiles currently in the White House.

SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 19/08/2017 10:17

Good morning all. It's amazing how fast moving these threads are. I'm struggling a bit to keep up as I'm back at work this week after a long holiday. I've also discovered I have CNN with my TV package so DS and I have been glued to it.

Thank you so much again for all the informative links and chat. This thread is the first thing I check into when I get home.

Waves at all the Colbert fans. I saw him first! Grin Grin

Rhodiolia · 19/08/2017 10:21

Remember it's not enough to be non-racist, we have to be actively anti-racist. We have to speak up, protest, have conversations, challenge racism where we see it. That goes for all discriminatory "isms". Trump is doing untold damage, globally, and we all have to do our bit.

These threads are amazing and will hopefully encourage more activism.

SetPhasersTaeMalkie · 19/08/2017 10:21

Colbert last night.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=GARam2LalDI

OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 19/08/2017 10:32

Cant fInd an article to support but worth taking note:

Drunk Finn in Garden
Drunk Finn in Garden @tkuderringer
Neo-Nazis, "Soldiers of Odin" in #Turku breaking windows of immigrant background businesses last night:

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SingaSong12 · 19/08/2017 10:33

Placemark from a mostly lurker, too depressed/not informed enough to comment.

Much as I hate Trump, I worry about US jumping out of the frying pan into the fire. If Trump resigns or is impeached what are we all facing in VP Pence?

Lweji · 19/08/2017 10:33

The prospect of Pence is indeed far from reassuring.
GOP is not a particularly democratic party.

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