... to not want my child’s (non serious) accident on TV?

[CarolinePenvenen]

Some years ago we were at a family event and my then 4yo got a whack in the face from another kid during one of the party games. It was a hard whack, she had a black eye and was in a lot of pain and very distressed but it wasn’t serious.

At the time I was told that a (young) family member, let’s call him Raymond, had videoed this incident and wanted to send it to a well known tv show that shows all these mishaps for a laugh, the intention being to make a bit of money out of it. I said no. Was still cross/a bit upset about the incident and generally cheesed off about the idea. They got a bit pissed off about it but no more was said.

Now my dd is 9 and it’s come up again. Basically Raymond sent it in anyway and now they’ve said they want to use it. He’s now also offered dd half the money. I’m still not keen but have left it up to dd to decide and she has said absolutely no, she’s not bothered about the money (and she’s usually very fond of money!). She’s a worrier and a sensitive soul and hates the idea of being laughed at. Family now think we’re massive spoilsports and taking offence where there is none. I should add that I detest this show with a passion although dd has been known to watch it!

If you’ve got to the end of that, AIBU?

Yanbu. I would email the show to make it clear no consent has been given to show the video seeing as they already have it.

I used to work in television and bought several videos from the YBF archive.

A release form needs to be signed by the owner of the video to allow it to be used, but you need to contact the broadcaster (and the production company) to object to footage of your child being used - I'm pretty sure that they would need you to sign a release form too.

Why does Raymond not have copyright if he took the footage on (presumably) his device?

I would be writing a letter to the production company making it crystal clear that you do not give permission for images of your child to be used for such commercial gain.

Also - Raymond is a dick.

Why does Raymond not have copyright if he took the footage on (presumably) his device?

He would have copyright but he has to sign ownership over to ITV (if it is ITV) for them to show it. He also has to have the consent of the parents if it is a video of a minor and he doesn't have that.

Wow, Raymond is a prick. He asked & did it anyway. He's offering the money because he's worried he is now going to get caught.

I agree with everyone else. Email the company saying both you & your daughter do not want her to be shown on tv, therefore you do not give your permission. Say you have also contacted a solicitor to confirm your legal position. Famous people can get a order to stop their children's faces being shown. I'm sure that stands for us " normal " people " which just have never needed to have one.

Once these things are out there they are out there forever. Plus they get put on youtube & Facebook videos & so own.

Everyone needs to respect your dd. Most kids would have taken the money so it's clearly very important to her that it's not shown.

I would contact the show directly. Tell them the details and that neither you nor DD give permission for it to be shown and it was sent in against your will.

It's a gray area legally from what I know but the likely hood is that the producers won't want to deal with a pissed off parent and will use something else.

Sugarcoma's advice is spot on

"Absolutely not being U and I would get in touch with the production company and put in writing you do not consent to it being aired."

Email the company and email or text Raymond and categorically state that they do not have your permission as the parent of the child in question - they will not be allowed to show it without your permission....

THREATEN TO SUE HIM & WARN IT WILL COST HIM A LOT MORE THAN £250!

Someone very close to me featured on YBF every year for years and years (it's a seasonal one) since they were small. They HATED it, loathed it with a passion and dreaded it being shown each year as it inevitably was.

Finally they wrote to YBF and asked them to take it down. They actually did do this, so I would advise you to write to them as mentioned above.

Your family are completely and utter dicks.

If your daughter was all up for it and you were saying no, then... well actually I'd still think YWNBU but could perhaps see why your family might try to change your mind.

But the fact that your daughter has very clearly said no and is completely terrified of this happening and they're still pushing it? That makes them total arseholes, if you don't mind me saying so. Poor thing, she's only 9 and shouldn't have to deal with this stress! And who the fuck wants to watch a small child get hurt like that for fun?

I would print out the information from the website about consent, highlight the part about needing parental consent for footage of under-18s and send them to Raymond (and maybe to the rest of your family too) saying that he absolutely did NOT have your consent to submit the clip and it will NOT be airing on YBF or any other TV show, and that you trust that this will be the last you hear of it.

Then photocopy the letter and send it to ITV too for good measure.

Raymond needs a piñata stick to the anus. What a twat.

I did me a google and an interview with one of the producers says that they need permission from the on screen participants so he hasn't got that and he can do one. Email them and say he hasn't got permission and he was explicitly asked not to send it in.

If he calls you a spoilsport telling he's not the funny fucker he thinks he is and to fucking fuck off the fuckinn fuckwit. Or words to that effect.

I live in a small town that is no stranger to having the odd TV company recording here.

The BBC have been known to be around occasionally. Release forms have to be signed if you are likely to be at all recognisable in the clips they might use. The same would surely apply to ITV, which airs YBF.

Email them and state categorically that you are not happy for footage containing your DD to be included, that Raymond did NOT have your consent and that you will consider taking whatever action is necessary if they do use it.

I am not a fan of YBF and find it hard to believe that nobody got hurt (sometimes seriously) in some of the recordings.

Absolutely not being unreasonable.

In fact what a great parent you are giving your DD the choice herself despite your own opinions and supporting her decision.

And well done your DD for choosing dignity over money - a very mature decision for a 9yo

Awful programme.

You have to give consent for her image to be used. You won't, so if they use it, take legal action. She'll probably get a lot more than £125 then.

YANBU I think people who take pleasure in watching people have accidents on You've Been Framed are weird.

Surely you can refuse consent for the clip to be shown? At school, dance class, brownies etc we always have to sign a consent form giving permission for them to use phots of the child in their displays, literature etc. Surely you can't just use pictures of children without their parents consent. I would say no if your child doesn't want it to happen. Btw, I hate those programs - what is so hilarious about watching people fall over and hurt themselves?

I'm not sure how far it's got. The message today was that he's been sent a form to give his bank details to be paid for it. That suggests to me that he's done the deal already and signed whatever needed signing. I've heard this via another (reliable) family member btw, nothing has been said directly to me. And they all think I'm nuts.

Definitely mail the company ASAP and say that you have not given your permission for the film clip to be used.

According to this interview all parties featured on the video have to give consent - it reads as though you would have to sign it and confirm that there was no injury. It also sounds as though the production company are pretty responsible with regard to the content sent to them. Definitely get in contact with the Production Company and inform them of your concerns to alert them to stop negotiating with Raymond.

www.denofgeek.com/tv/youve-been-framed/38523/you-ve-been-framed-10-questions-answered

If it's got that far then please do email ASAP!

And if it is YBF here are the contact details so you can let them know:

At any time prior to ITVS’s selection of your Submission for inclusion in the programme, you have the right to withdraw your Submission for any reason, by notifying ITVS by email at [email protected], or if you are unable to contact ITVS by email, then by post to YBF, ITV Studios Limited, Trafford Wharf Road, Trafford, M17 1FZ.

*taken from the ITV YBF website

I would write urgently to YBF and let them know that you and your DD withhold permission and also have. I'd also be interested if Raymond has indicated otherwise...