... to not want my child’s (non serious) accident on TV?

[CarolinePenvenen]

Some years ago we were at a family event and my then 4yo got a whack in the face from another kid during one of the party games. It was a hard whack, she had a black eye and was in a lot of pain and very distressed but it wasn’t serious.

At the time I was told that a (young) family member, let’s call him Raymond, had videoed this incident and wanted to send it to a well known tv show that shows all these mishaps for a laugh, the intention being to make a bit of money out of it. I said no. Was still cross/a bit upset about the incident and generally cheesed off about the idea. They got a bit pissed off about it but no more was said.

Now my dd is 9 and it’s come up again. Basically Raymond sent it in anyway and now they’ve said they want to use it. He’s now also offered dd half the money. I’m still not keen but have left it up to dd to decide and she has said absolutely no, she’s not bothered about the money (and she’s usually very fond of money!). She’s a worrier and a sensitive soul and hates the idea of being laughed at. Family now think we’re massive spoilsports and taking offence where there is none. I should add that I detest this show with a passion although dd has been known to watch it!

If you’ve got to the end of that, AIBU?

Can you not write/email YBF TV show (assuming it is this) and tell them that you have not given permission for it to be shown and did not give permission for it to be recorded either and that you will consult a solicitor IF the production team go ahead with the showing?

Complain to the TV company? It's your DD, she is 9, surely you have a say whether she appears on tv or not?

Think it will come down to who owns the copyright and it might be raymond

The poor kid got walloped with a piñata stick. A complete accident and not the other kid’s fault, she was just too near and he didn’t look behind him but she took a hefty enough wooden stick to the face and I have to say that the response of those watching wasn’t overly sympathetic. She remembers the incident.

The poor kid got walloped with a piñata stick. A complete accident and not the other kid’s fault, she was just too near and he didn’t look behind him but she took a hefty enough wooden stick to the face and I have to say that the response of those watching wasn’t overly sympathetic. She remembers the incident.

Raymond will no doubt go ahead anyway, whatever your/your DD's wishes. I would therefore make sure that I emailed the producers of the show to tell them that you strongly object; they probably won't take any notice of you either but at least you will have tried.

Contact the production company. Say you don't give consent for your child to be shown.

They have to have consent. I'm assuming your family friend will have to confirm they have consent from everyone involved.

I also wouldn't want it used. It's in the small print but once you've allowed it to be used for this they'll sell it for use everywhere - it'll turn up on the Japanese equivalent etc etc.

It seems a lot of money. But it's really not. It's a very cheap way to make telly.

YADNBU but if Raymond does go ahead anyway, would anyone recognise her from footage taken when she was 4? Not that it makes any difference if she doesn't want it aired.

I dont blame you or her for not wanting it shown.
Not many people watch You've been framed - it was 5 years ago and they only play it once (they don't reply and replay and replay it to analyse it or anything)...

Except the same episodes get repeated....and they'll be on catch up and youtube...

That programme is awful, no longer funny, but you can bet your life someone she knows will be watching.
Your poor dd.
I don't know where she stands though legally.
Can you tell it's her?

Anyone else think Raymond is a cunt?

Your daughter said no. He should respect that. Definitely contact the production company and say no is no.

Do you actually have any say in the matter legally, or does Raymond own the copy right?

Although Raymond owns copyright on the film he does not have a release contract with the person in the film or her parent to give permission to share it. So its tough.
He shouldn't have sent it in and OP can stop it being aired.

In which case, the DDs wishes are paramount and it shouldn't be aired.

gavel< next case!

What could happen if you don't give consent is that they'd show the clip but blur her out.

But id imagine that'd render the clip pretty useless as she's the main focal point of the clip.

Contact the production company/television station. Say your daughter doesn't give permission for the clip to be used. Raymond does not have any copyright. Email the production company to confirm and ask them to email back their confirmation. Explain she's 9 and they would be breaking the law anyway even if they blanked her face out (which sounds as if it would ruin their story anyway). Raymond sounds like a right wanker but everyone is trying to make money out of images - but shouldn't be a young child.

Yadnbu. Contact the production company and let them know you do not give consent.

YADNBU.

Email the production company saying you absolutely do not give consent.

Your poor DD.

I second videoing hitting Raymond in the face with a wooden stick and sending that instead. Raymond is being a dick.

YANBU at all.

I agree with everyone else who has said to contact the production company. Whilst Raymond, as the person who filmed it, does own the copyright, it's definitely not legal to cash in on footage filmed of other people without their consent, especially children. So if you make it clear to the company you do not consent to its use they'll probably forget all about it as it's not worth their time to get involved in arguments over.

Raymond is a monumental tool! I agree with contacting the production company and letting them know that not only didn't he have permission to send it he was actually told not to.

Emailing the company is a good idea. She possibly wouldn’t be recognised but she hasn’t changed that much and if one of her classmates is watching there’s a fair chance they’d recognise her. It just doesn’t feel right to me, making money and a laugh out of a small kid getting a whack.

As between you and ITV, you retain all ownership rights in any Submission you may make. You promise that your Submission is your own original work, and that you are the owner of any Submission you make or that you have all necessary licences, rights, consents, and permissions to authorise ITV to use your Submission. In particular, you promise that you have obtained the permission of all of the people featured or referred to in the Submission (and if they are under 18, the permission of their parents or guardians as well) to ITV’s use of the Submission. You agree to give ITV evidence of all such licences, rights, consents, and permissions if so requested by ITV. You acknowledge that the contents of any Submission will be considered non-confidential.

The above is from the ITV terms and conditions so contact ITV and explain that Raymond does not have your consent.

YANBU. Its shitty that your family have reacted the way they are.

I really hope that they don't go ahead and let it air after your DD has said no. Otherwise what message is that giving her about giving consent?

You left it to DD to decide now she's old enough (you were right to unilaterally decide no when she was little), she's said no, that should be the end of it.

If the little sod Raymond does it anyway, it's unlikely anyone DD knows will see it, and probably they wouldn't recognise her even if they did. Not saying she/you should agree to it, just as reassurance in case it is used against both your wishes. If that happens, I think you should demand ALL the money, Raymond shouldn't benefit from it if he's doing it when you've told him not to.

I always hated that show and now I also hate Raymond. Suggest you stage a video of him getting a black eye from a pinata stick, perhaps landing on a cactus, and send that in instead. What a shit.

No YANBU at all.

They can fuck off, FGS, for £125 they're having a hissy fit?

Fuck that.