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To not understand why drinking alcohol while your kids are asleep is ok but smoking weed is not?

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QuackPorridgeBacon · 10/08/2017 13:08

I know this may sound like a twattish thread and I understand I may get a lot of shit for it.

The thing is though, I don't understand how wine and gin (two favourites on here) are seemingly ok to consume while kids are in bed sleeping, yet having a smoke is terrible.

Now, putting legalities aside (I don't think they matter seeing how some places are now legalising it can't be that bad) what is the issue with smoking but there seems to be no issue with drinking?

I see friends on fb and the like talking about having a few bottles almost every night some with really small babies (I'm terribly anxious so the younger the child the more I worry, even though I probably shouldn't lol) yet if you have a smoke you are deemed irresponisble and a druggie right up there with crack fs.

One person I know, would drink almost every night and would complain that her partner (now ex) would smoke weed. Yet I see them both as the same really, maybe I see the drinking as worse though because once you are drunk that's it there is no way to really stop that in an emergency. Smoking, you tend to snap out of it need be and are always alert and just snacking will make you feel how you did before anyway.

Basically, wondering what others views are?

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pictish · 10/08/2017 13:55

Agree Stoic there's a willful stupidity about okaying alcohol but doing your tiny nut over cannabis.

TmiTuesdays · 10/08/2017 13:59

You can't just put aside the legality and the smoke when those are the whole problem.

If weed was legal, you'd be able to buy it in regulated amounts of known strength (as you do with alcohol) thus controlling the amount you ingest. You'd be able to buy it from a reputable supplier rather than be associated with criminals.

You could ingest it in a way that didn't force anyone around you to be affected by the second hand smoke and all the associated health issues.

These things would make it comparable to a couple of glasses of wine. But as things stand, it's not a sensible comparison.

A fair comparison would be buying a few bottles of something brewed in a bathtub from some dodgy bloke who's a mate of a mate round the back of a pub, taking it home and drinking it whilst forcing your kids to have a few sips out of your glass. And NO ONE would think that was acceptable.

unlimiteddilutingjuice · 10/08/2017 14:00

I think the study might have shown that the cannabis users were more careful but that's not exactly the same thing. Their reaction times will still have been slower

TipTopTipTopClop · 10/08/2017 14:03

I agree with you in principle, but at the same time the pot smokers I know seem to be brain dead.

gillybeanz · 10/08/2017 14:04

Absolutely no difference at all, if you smoke outside or in a shed or something.
Everything in moderation, a glass of wine, beer or a spliff of the equivalent strength isn't going to hurt anyone.
Once too much is consumed then there can be huge differences.
Some people are aggressive when they have been drinking, i'd trust neither of these substances consumed in an emergency.

Macncheesewithbacon · 10/08/2017 14:04

If you live in many countries it is not seen differently. There is a lot of illogical and judgmental thinking on MN.

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QuackPorridgeBacon · 10/08/2017 14:05

Yes dragons. I mentioned putting the legality aside because honestly, if weed is illegal and drinking isn't when we know which causes more issues then I don't see it as a valid point in an argument about the usage of it, if you see what I mean?

Not understanding the sarcastic comments either. If you have nothing to add other than trying to be funny then please excuse yourself.

Good points are being made about not knowing the strength of a smoke compared to knowing how much alcohol there is in a bottle/glass. I do believe though that you can control how 'stoned' you are because once you feel it you can stop when you have had enough, surely?

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littlemissangrypants · 10/08/2017 14:06

For some people weed is not an issue but for others that is not true. Ex could not function as a normal person without it and he was a violent pig if he wasn't stoned.
He spent our kids food money on weed and sold the tv and their toys and birthday presents for weed. Every penny we had he spent on weed. He let me and the kids have £20 a week for food while he spent £200 a week on weed.
He beat the crap out of me when he had no weed and screamed at the kids if they cried about sold toys or lack of food. We even lost our family home as he stopped paying the mortgage to buy more weed.
I stayed 13 years before I got out and my kids missed out on so much as drugs always came first.
Now ex tells the kids that it's safe to smoke weed, snort coke and take Es. He did tell them not to do heroin or magic mushrooms as they are bad. He thinks it's funny that he has tried it all and thinks he's a great dad to advise the kids on what drugs to do. The kids ignore all the drug talk and are both very anti drugs.
Weed can destroy families just as easily as alcohol. There really is no difference at all.

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QuackPorridgeBacon · 10/08/2017 14:06

Oh and just to add. I would never condone smoking in front of children or in the house. Outside then spray as you enter I would imagine. Kids don't need to know.

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NinjaLeprechaun · 10/08/2017 14:08

I live where pot is legal so that's not a consideration for me. For people who are worried about second-hand smoke, you can eat the stuff.

Honestly, having been around people who both smoked and drank - some responsibly and some not - most of my life I really see no difference.

itsbetterthanabox · 10/08/2017 14:08

It does matter it's illegal.
Second hand smoke.
One or two glasses of wine you know your level of control.
Weed is much more potent and you never know how strong it'll be. Even a small amount hits hard unless you are a habitual smoker and makes you useless.

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QuackPorridgeBacon · 10/08/2017 14:09

basecamp thank good my partner wasn't working when I started on anti depressants and then once stopped I tried anxiety meds. Could not get out of bed, felt constantly sick etc and I made myself stay on them for months to see if they would start working. See comingoff them.. that was a fucking marathon I couldn't move without the dizziness effect if me, kind of like being drunk and hungover.

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PsammeadPaintedTheLion · 10/08/2017 14:10

Neither are fine. A glass of wine with dinner is my limit when I am looking after children, which I am doing every day! If you drink a lot of alcohol or if you smoke weed, you are incapacitated and taking a risk with the wellbeing of your children. Ok, the risks are probably slight, but are also so easily avoidable. There's plenty of time for all that when they are adults if it interests me then which I suspect it won't, especially.

itsbetterthanabox · 10/08/2017 14:10

It lasts significantly longer in your system too

SteppingOnToes · 10/08/2017 14:13

Again - your kids will be known as the kids who stink of weed. You will always be an embarrassment to them...

ScoobyDoosTinklyLaugh · 10/08/2017 14:13

I think it's the same. I don't smoke it, I haven't for years, but DP does now and again. Outside as well, we don't know anyone who smokes inside.

I'm not completely okay with it, I think the supply chain can be very unpleasent and I don't like that buying it is funding organised crime. All would be solved by legalising it though!

EssentialHummus · 10/08/2017 14:18

You could ingest it in a way that didn't force anyone around you to be affected by the second hand smoke and all the associated health issues.

I agree with this, I think legality is relevant for this reason.

I don't really have an issue with either in moderation, but I know one too many people with very young children who are using one or both as a coping mechanism, and it makes me uneasy.

CoffeeMilkNoSugar · 10/08/2017 14:20

There's a bunch of yobs sitting on a wall near my house, smoking weed all day long. The street REEKS. I cannot open my windows to air the house anymore. The last time I did, my house stank to high heavens. It was everywhere - in my kitchen, in my bedding, in my hair, in my child's bedding. It was making me feel light-headed and nauseous. It's a disgusting habit, it reeks worse than the devil's arsehole, and as far as I'm concerned, cannabis users are disgusting in general. Those who smoke around a child are thick if they don't believe it'll affect the kids. And they stink, plain and simple.

Personally, I don't drink or smoke, but I don't have an issue with those who will have an occasional small amount of alcohol when the kids are in bed. Key words: 'Occasional', 'small'.

user1492692527 · 10/08/2017 14:21

The problem with weed is that it absolutely reeks. It's no good saying smoke it outside because it then affects all your neighbours! I had a neighbour who smoked outside - her door was at least 100 yards from my house but it made my whole house smell, particularly in summer when I had the doors open! Cigarette smoke is pretty bad too, but doesnt seem to linger or penetrate as much as weed.

FagAshMIL · 10/08/2017 14:21

elquinto funniest thing I've read all year bahahaha

itsmehi · 10/08/2017 14:21

I find it so funny that so many people keep mentioning it being illegal as a reason as to why it's worse than alcohol. Unless they mean that it's an issue because you could get caught and have a record etc. Which I agree, you wouldn't want. But cannabis is obviously not as bad as alcohol in terms of mental capacity when smoking it, addictive quality, the expense to the NHS, and the immediate risk of death (actually you would need to eat so much of it to overdose, that that is just never going to happen). The only thing I think you could probably argue is that prolonged use could lead to cancer but that's really only applicable if you're smoking it as a joint. To answer the original question. No idea what people's issue with smoking it is if they are okay with alcohol consumption. Misunderstanding?

winglesspegasus · 10/08/2017 14:22

i live where it is legal to smoke/
first i agree withvladamir
second we do/did not smoke anything around our dc/we have a seperate "summerhouse" sort of place for it.you have idiots of all kinds,but a poll was done and people were asked if they drove more drunk or high.80% said they stayed home when high but went to bars/pubs or to stores to get more alcohol.there are studies being done concerning alcohol vs weed related fatalities.also weed wont hurt my liver and kidneys.for me alcohol puts on weight as well.
people who are high are much less likely to get aggressive under the influence .and then theres this;
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1277837/
overall i dont agree with smoking around children,i dont agree with smoking if you cant maintain your wits.
and i think drinking and doing prescribed drugs just because they are legal is pretty fuckin stupid. my kids are all grown now..no others in site of to the summerhouse.

maddening · 10/08/2017 14:26

Illegality (I don't agree that it should be illegal personally) aside and smoking outside in the garden where most parents that smoke cigarettes will do yanbu at all

ghostyslovesheets · 10/08/2017 14:26

does wine induce psychosis?

Also the legality is very important - my wine doesn't fund crime

Steeley113 · 10/08/2017 14:27

I hate this idea that coming in from smoking and spraying yourself with body spray makes it all better. The smoke is still on your clothes!

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