To not understand why drinking alcohol while your kids are asleep is ok but smoking weed is not?

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I know this may sound like a twattish thread and I understand I may get a lot of shit for it.

The thing is though, I don't understand how wine and gin (two favourites on here) are seemingly ok to consume while kids are in bed sleeping, yet having a smoke is terrible.

Now, putting legalities aside (I don't think they matter seeing how some places are now legalising it can't be that bad) what is the issue with smoking but there seems to be no issue with drinking?

I see friends on fb and the like talking about having a few bottles almost every night some with really small babies (I'm terribly anxious so the younger the child the more I worry, even though I probably shouldn't lol) yet if you have a smoke you are deemed irresponisble and a druggie right up there with crack fs.

One person I know, would drink almost every night and would complain that her partner (now ex) would smoke weed. Yet I see them both as the same really, maybe I see the drinking as worse though because once you are drunk that's it there is no way to really stop that in an emergency. Smoking, you tend to snap out of it need be and are always alert and just snacking will make you feel how you did before anyway.

Basically, wondering what others views are?

No difference imo.

It's really nice to see some on here who wouldn't smoke themselves but don't have an issue with those that do. It's really nice to see.

Like I don't drink but don't have an issue with those that choose to.

One word: edibles

From one of hte studies linked above - couldn't read the Washington Post thing as it's behind a paywall.

"Many investigators have suggested that the reason why marijuana does not result in an increased crash rate in laboratory tests despite demonstrable neurophysiologic impairments is that, unlike drivers under the influence of alcohol, who tend to underestimate their degree of impairment, marijuana users tend to overestimate their impairment, and consequently employ compensatory strategies. Cannabis users perceive their driving under the influence as impaired and more cautious,(40) and given a dose of 7 mg THC (about a third of a joint), drivers rated themselves as impaired even though their driving performance was not; in contrast, at a BAC 0.04% (slightly less than two “standard drinks” of a can of beer or small 5 oz. glass of wine; half the legal limit in most US states), driving performance was impaired even though drivers rated themselves as unimpaired.(41) Binge drinkers are particularly likely to rate themselves as unimpaired, possibly because they tend to become less sedated by high doses of alcohol.(42)"

Interesting that on weed drivers are safer than drivers on even very little alcohol.

Compare the difference in Euro 2000 when England were knocked out. In belgium drunk riots, in holland stoned acceptance

Stoned people dont go out doing violent things, they barely can ring for a pizza

I have ms, and as everyone says, cannabis is great for ms pain. Yes it is. There are side effects to smoking a joint though, which I didn't like - fuzzy head and sleepiness. MS itself did both those things to me anyway and I didn't like making those aspects worse, so I stopped using weed and my neurologist prescribed me some decent drugs instead (which work well enough, but not as well as weed).

If I could have the pain relief that weed brings but without the other effects (those are the ones people enjoy though!) then I'd happily take it in whatever form it came. Smoke, eat, snort, inject....

Smoking anything around children, whether legal or not, presents a potential health risk in a way that drinking alcohol round them doesn't. You'd have to be getting a fuck of a lot of gin down you for the fumes to be that bad! The poster who said you'd need to have shit for brains to disregard this is quite correct. It is an important distinction, so the issue is simply whether you care about exposing your kids to smoke or not. The fact that some people expose them to similar risk by smoking cigarettes, which are legal, makes not one iota of difference to that.

Obviously you can remove that risk by taking cannabis in some way other than smoking it, so if for example you were baking it, you wouldn't have the same problem. OP said smoking though.

The issues then would just be legality and safety. The importance of the legal status depends on your perspective. Some people aren't bothered, others are in jobs where they have to worry more about it. Personal matter.

Then there's the point that you don't know what you're getting in the same way and you don't have consumer protection laws to protect you in the same way as you do with alcohol. Which is one reason I support legalisation even though I grew out of weed while we were all still wearing thongs above our cutoff waisted jeans. Until then, I suppose the best way to protect yourself wrt quality is growing your own?

My now ex-dp harped on constantly on why green should be legalised. Oh the health benefits to sick people you say? Eh, no bother you fuckwit. You wouldn't get a prescription so it would still be illegal for you to smoke it. He was only tolerable til the stone wore off & I'd end up counting the minutes until he had his next joint.

And the mornings? He'd go 9 hours during the night without a joint and we'd all be on eggshells. We all apparently had to use the toilet the same time as him as if he had dibs on it. If I looked at him I was starting an argument because apparently him storming around not speaking to anyone was him 'not being a morning person'.

And it fucking stinks, not all strains but some more pungent than others. Like cat piss & strong cheese. And don't get me started on the price or the paraphernalia.

He has a skilled job btw.

Absolute cunt. And maybe you don't see stoner parents hanging around waiting to pick their kids up at school but it's only because they are lazy, selfish fuckers.

night what about the danger of not responding to a child because you can't see, walk or talking with slurring or falling?

You don't get that with weed (unless it's your first time smoking) just like first time drinking you don't know what you can or cannot handle.

I think it should just be legalised to be honest. If it was, most people points for it being bad would be non existent.

My ex husband was an alcoholic. Now he's a weed addict and there is very, very little difference in how utterly shit and incapable of parenting a child he is. The only difference is that now you can smell the stink from him all over the house. And he is more likely to drive as he is 'sober' but he's still an incapacitated driver who drives like someone in a bumper car.

Glitter I think you need to seriously adjust your tone! Your ex was a cunt, straight up twat. You cannot label all who smoke the same. Just like I cannot go around saying everyone who drinks is likened to an alcoholic because it isn't true.

To say parents who smoke are "lazy selfish fuckers" is just horrible. Maybe try thinking that you don't 'see' them because they look the same as anyone else. What an odd way to think

You must judge people based on how they look or what they wear as well.

Oh and if you get caught with even the tiniest bit of dope in your house, expect a visit from the Social Work department. Even if it's at the top of a cupboard inside a smell proof container in a secure box.

You seem to enjoy the thought of social turning up on those who smoke.

Even if their children are clean, tidy and well presented?
What would be the issue?

What about parents who only do legal things and have dirty smelly children (poor kids ) but because they don't smoke weed they are decent in your books? Probably not, but that's how stupid it sounds to reported parents who are loving and look after their kids, to social because they enjoy the odd bit of weed.

No I don't enjoy the thought of the social work turning up . It happened to me and ex-dp never smoked it in the house but that's exactly where it was and I had 2 visits from a social worker. And I don't touch the stuff. Neighbours could smell it when he was in the garden smoking (past grievances to do with them parking in front of our driveway I believe).

Kid yourself on tho.

This coroner would argue otherwise

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1445718/Cannabis-use-causes-hundreds-of-deaths-a-year-coroner-warns.html

nightman the OP says 'after they've gone to bed' so unless people are smoking in their sleeping childs bedroom that's all moot.

Not necessarily.

night what about the danger of not responding to a child because you can't see, walk or talking with slurring or falling?

Not a refutation to any of my points, even if we hadn't all agreed by now that comparing moderate consumption of one to overconsumption of another is pointless. There isn't an alcohol equivalent of passive smoking. There's just not.

Also, of course you can smoke so much weed you're insensible. It just looks different to when people drink themselves to uselessness. I, admittedly, was a lightweight, but whenever I had much it used to put me to sleep. I do not think I'd have done well if I'd had to look after a child. I could probably have looked after one on a few tokes, as I could on a couple of vodkas or whatever, but trying to pretend that nobody has more than they can handle once they know their tolerance is just stupid. Of course they do. I've seen it.

The argument reason against legalisation, for me anyway, is the possibility that some pretty nasty people who make money off it now (the poster who talked about modern slavery isn't wrong) might look for other even more nasty ways to do it, if it were legalised. That worries me. I still think it would do more good than harm to legalise though. I think it would be a really good thing for people to have more idea what they were imbibing. It could be properly regulated like alcohol.

There are masses of deaths related to weed. Police in a lot of areas have lost the ability to do tests due to cuts. Driving stoned or thinking you are not when you are is killing people. The stats speak for themselves.

does wine induce psychosis?

The research that a lot of the MSM used to prove the link to cannabis and psychosis has been debunked, while cannabis use has significantly increased the rate of psychosis in the general population has remained at an approx steady rate. The amount of hyperbole on this thread is ridiculous its as if its been lifted from the MSM.

After one spliff my DP went crazy and started playing the piano then he killed us all including me, true story, I used to live in black and white back then

Cannabis = illegal in places and also legal in places. Comes in different forms, strengths and can be misused to incapacitating and or addicting quantities.
Alcohol = illegal in some places, legal in others, comes in a variety of strengths and varieties, can be mis used to incapacitating and or addicting quantities.
The only difference is that alcohol is socially acceptable in great Britain.

LOL at being drunk being the same as psychosis

I am talking about long term mental health damage in young cannabis users - which yes I have seen - it's awful

I know alcohol withdrawal can cause hallucinations and dependency can bring mental health issues

But I was comparing a couple of glasses of wine with a couple of spliffs - if the weed being smoked is strong enough a couple a night can lead to long term mental health issues

I also notice everyone skirting the crime issue - buying drugs finds crime and criminals - why is that okay?

The stats speak for themselves.

Citation needed because I call bullshit