To not understand why drinking alcohol while your kids are asleep is ok but smoking weed is not?

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I know this may sound like a twattish thread and I understand I may get a lot of shit for it.

The thing is though, I don't understand how wine and gin (two favourites on here) are seemingly ok to consume while kids are in bed sleeping, yet having a smoke is terrible.

Now, putting legalities aside (I don't think they matter seeing how some places are now legalising it can't be that bad) what is the issue with smoking but there seems to be no issue with drinking?

I see friends on fb and the like talking about having a few bottles almost every night some with really small babies (I'm terribly anxious so the younger the child the more I worry, even though I probably shouldn't lol) yet if you have a smoke you are deemed irresponisble and a druggie right up there with crack fs.

One person I know, would drink almost every night and would complain that her partner (now ex) would smoke weed. Yet I see them both as the same really, maybe I see the drinking as worse though because once you are drunk that's it there is no way to really stop that in an emergency. Smoking, you tend to snap out of it need be and are always alert and just snacking will make you feel how you did before anyway.

Basically, wondering what others views are?

Can I ask the pro-drugs people a question? If/when cannabis becomes legal should there be any health warnings on the packaging; any dose info like units of alcohol and lastly should there any restrictions on sale.

Yes there should be health warnings on the packaging, should not be for sale to anyone under the age of 18, high strength canabis, 15% THC or more should be prohibitively expensive, something you could treat yourself not smoke regularly.

The way cannabis is treated now you can see the similarities to the prohibition era in the US, when alcohol was made illegal nobody bothered trying to smuggle beer (low grade cannabis) into the country the profit margin wasnt high enough to warrant the risk, so they smuggle in whisky (skunk/high grade cannabis variants) but they would cut the alcohol with any crap they could get away with just for profit, harder to do with cannabis in leaf form but was certainly done back in the days of 'soap bar' and the organised crime gangs made a ton of money.

Human/'primates like taking stuff that alter their brain, it would be much safer if the government regulated and taxed its sale, sorry if that made no sense i havent had my coffee yet another legal mind altering drug that i cant function well without my first fix of the day

I think the both of them are irresponsible

Ara. I was comparing one glass of wine with one spliff.

Who has one drag on a spliff, really? Plenty of people do just have a glass of wine though.

The irony of my username isn't lost one me.

passmethewineplease

True, most people don't have one puff on a spliff. Maybe half a spliff (sharing it with someone else) is a closer analogy. No one has a single mouthful of wine, do they. 'Small glass' is about the smallest measure.

Everyone I've ever know who has smoked weed has done so with tobacco (as opposed to just weed). It gives you the control to make it as strong or weak as you like.

Weed wouldn't be laced with something else. Why would it be? Most weed is within a certain bound of strength; similarly to wine (9-14%-ish). When drinking alcohol, you don't keep count of mg of alcohol. You compare how you feel with how you want to feel and the difference another drink would make. The same with smoking and other drugs.

But doesn't smoking it with tobacco increase the risks as well?

I don't really drink anymore anyway, it doesn't agree with me, even after one glass I feel like I have a hot flush and feel like my heart is pumping really hard.

what people need to remember is that just like volume of alcohol and units of alcohol, weed is not dissimilar ito the amount consumed.
You can roll a spliff that looks almost green, with very little tobacco,
Or, more tobacco and small amount of weed.
I best describe my intake as the equivalent to a pint of lager or a medium glass of wine.
I find I function fine the next day, manage to hold down a couple of jobs and have raised our children fine.
Had I consumed the stronger skunk or had a bottle of wine at night then perhaps not.
It's the amount and strength of what you take that determines your behaviour and ability to function not the actual weed or alcohol.

If weed were legal and monitored (strength, what it contained, not funding criminal activity etc) like alcohol and cigarettes are, then I would have far less of a problem with it than alcohol. Provided that it is smoked outside, away from people who don't want to participate. I've been stoned and I've been drunk and I know which feeling I prefer. That's me though, I've never liked being drunk or tipsy. And I don't do either anymore. I much prefer a spot of crochet these days.

As it stands, with the legality issue, I don't think it's ok to do it around kids, even if they are in bed.

araiwa
I'm torn on whether to decriminalise it if I'm honest. Part of me thinks that it being regulated and sold responsibly is better than it being overseen by criminals. But then I don't want legalising it to send the green light that it's OK to consume as much as you like.

I'd happily have it on prescription to alleviate some symptoms of conditions though.

But then I don't want legalising it to send the green light that it's OK to consume as much as you like.

I dont think that would be the case, initially yes theres going to be a spike in use if legalised but that should taper off, not only would it deny criminals money from its sale it would also start providing jobs, the only problem wed have here would be the laws against smoking in a public place so you wouldnt be able to have an indoor cannabis cafe, all smoking would have to be done outside.

Amsterdam has the same rules about smoking tobacco as uk. In coffee shops they give you some herbal stuff to use instead of tobacco so you can smoke indoors

That's my thinking just.
I can think of a lot of reasons to decriminalise it but then feel a bit funny about it because of my personal feelings towards drugs, smoking and excessive alcohol drinking.
If it were decriminalised I'd want it to be banned in cars with children and not have it done anywhere around children.

I went into a shop the other day and the entrance stank of weed. I think it has a horrible smell so would hate to have to walk through clouds of it outside bars and pubs. It's bad enough walking through smoking clouds.

What do you think the health warnings should say? Someone mentioned higher risk of Schizophrenia but someone else quoted to a link that said this was pathetic. If there was a tobacco history style legal argument then what health risks are actually justified?
Would parents be permitted to buy low strength for their kids (as per beer/wine in a restaurant)?
Would unlicensed growing be permitted?

I think the warning should be along the lines of the tobacco ones, smoking cannabis with tobacco does increase tar in the lungs due to the incorrect assumption that THC has a greater effect if the smoke is held in, it doesnt, also no driving, using heavy machinery. Although there isnt a greater risk of psychosis in cannabis use people do still need to be aware that it is a mind altering substance.

No there should no cannabis use before 18, so no parents should not be permitted to purchase or allow the use of it before then.

I think people should be permitted to grow low grade cannabis at home 15% THC or less, in the some way that people make homebrew and wine at home but anything stronger would need to be grown by proffesional's and treated like spirits or medication

Anyone actually met a psychotic stoned person?! 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Why do you think that isn't possible? Do you know what psychosis Is? I see stoned psychotic people at work all the time.

I know many people who are psychotic or have been who claim it started when they started smoking weed. My husband was at uni and started smoking it and within weeks he was in a psych hospital and now has schizoaffective disorder (recent new diagnosis). It's very likely there was a predisposition there or something and the weed triggered it. Perhaps it would have happened eventually anyway. I still don't think it's completely harmless and do warn my teens that they might be fine with smoking it as I was or they might end up going the way my husband did. It's a risk.

What grown adults do is not my business and I think it's fine to have a joint with kids in the house and sleeping. If an adult knows they can have the odd joint and this does not affect them negatively then I see no problem with it.

Yes I met lots at work

And I was married to one

Was the cannabis proved to be the reason for his psychosis? Or is that in your opinion what caused it?

Correlation does not prove causality

Oh I see its just an opinion you've formed, that makes all the difference then who needs all that pesky science

@passmethewineplease

Yes, tobacco and weed increases the risk. I took plenty of fun (weed, pills, acid, mushrooms) before I needed to become responsible. They were all extremely easy to stop taking when I realised that the lifestyle and legality (whether I agreed or not) was more important than the fun. This was many, many years ago.

Smoking cigarettes was the hardest thing I may have ever done. Even when giving up for the final / successful time, I'd say it was close to 10 years of necessary willpower to avoid a relapse. I've never given up alcohol really. Had breaks during pregnancy or training for sporting competitions but never 'stopped' as such. The other drugs; easy. I also never felt peer pressure with drugs other than alcohol. Weed smokers, for example, seem to be more understanding of someone's stance whereas 'I bought x wine when I knew you were coming' or 'go on, get a taxi' etc seem more common with booze.

@U2 - so cannabis could be a trigger. Does that make it worse than alcohol? Are alcoholics predisposed to be dependent on drink and if they'd never touched it, they wouldn't have had a problem? \

All drugs are bad. I'm yet to be convinced that weed is worse than alcohol though.

I think it's irresponsible to drink alcohol or smoke cannabis when looking after children - get a babysitter!

Any at all boneless.

A small bottle of beer?

Surely that suggests your lack of control as opposed to anything else.

Not at all, but I only ever have a drink if it's a celebration/night out. I've never drank in the house, it's just something I'm not interested in.

I wouldn't like to not be able to drive my DD to the out of hours/ a&e if needed.

Not at all, but I only ever have a drink if it's a celebration/night out.

Does the babysitter stay all night in this scenario then?