To ask what has gone wrong in the UK

[Mumof56]

I'm talking about the latest sex grooming case in Newcastle. It's the seventh large scale sex gang scandal to hit the UK after cases from towns including Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford and Bristol

I have seen nothing on mumsnet about this (although maybe I've missed it). This is shocking and outrageous. How has this been allowed to happen in so many areas? What is the solution?

This is "rape culture". Where are the (peaceful) protests and the show of support for these girls?

I've not read the full thread. White rapist grooming fucks go about this behaviour in a different way towards vulnerable girls and also boys.

Pakistani men were at this behaviour 30 years ago in Glasgow. It has gone on for years. Now we are getting the dialogue and convictions around it. Recently when I watched the BBC Scotland doc on humans for sale I felt women should organise ourselves to push this agenda forward.

Mumsnet could run a campaign, which could go into schools. First message is that "nice men don't go out with young girls". This is a message my brother gave me when I was impressed with older shady bastards and I listened to him. Real men, don't have interest in young girls or boys and ply them with drink and drugs.

That's a good message creme. I remember my friends at 14 having 24yo boyfriends and we were jealous because they were hot and had their own cars and flats. My god it's scary how little we knew

We could also say 'nice men don't ask for nude pics' and 'FGS lock down your social media, it's not great that you've got 1000 instagram followers, you're 14'

Exactly that type of thing noble. There's at least 10 points of wisdom that we could impart. Do something positive. Let's rally some really positive role models to stick their heads above the parapet and launch it.

Mumsnet could really push this and prove their contributors are not just advertising fodder.

I think Hipster made a lot of good points

Do you?

I think writing off an entire continent and admitting that they would forbid their daughter from marrying a man from certain countries is not covert racism.

Its overt racism based on ignorance and prejudice.

The only thing differentiating them from your average EDL half wit is their spelling.

And what about girls getting abducted to be sex slaves like that model recently, absolutely terrifying world we live in for children and women www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/chloe-ayling-full-police-statement-model-kidnapping-milan-black-death-gang-italy-a7885911.html

No one wants to say anything because they will be called racist, but in a culture were women are mostly covered from head to toe and mostly unavailable to them unless they get married!! A SMALL section of Muslim men will look at vonrable White girls/woman as easy pickings, unfortunately this is what happens when our two cultures are so far apart. I know people will now just call me a racist , but as my old mum use to say some people just don't like truth telling!! Until people respect each other cultures and understand that we are all not the same and have different beliefs and values these horrific issues will keep happening. I also agree with another mum who said she won't go back to Thailand, I am so ashamed when I see old white men using vonrable girls and boys for sex, the world is a very sad place!!

HipsterHunter made some very good points actually. It is a lot to do with educated and uneducated in these countries. Progressively minded and definitely not progressively minded where women are treated as chatals and if not with a protector are fair game and slags. I recall avoiding rough teenage second generation Pakistanis at college like the plague because they had a vile attitude towards girls.

I haven't read the full thread, only went back a few pages. However, on those three pages I saw some posters recounting their own experiences with this bahavioir. The response from some other posters was pretty disgusting tbh. Clearly, unless someone thought to take out their phone and start filming an already abusive situation, putting themselves in further danger as a result then it didn't happen. Another person was told they must have mental health issues if they felt threatened by men in certain countries. That is outright gaslighting The 'normal' girl that it happened to wasn't normal at all according to MN. I mean, ffs is it any wonder these things continue to happen when women are treated this way when they speak out?

Obviously there are different tyoes of paedophiles. We had a lot of lovely British 'high society' ones in a huge ring preying on the vulnerable in care homes I guess they deemed as worthless. Those poor children living in 'care homes' it's just terrifying to think of it.

Totally agree pawpainting too many explanations justifications for disgusting behaviour. The one thing they all have in common are they are a certain type of filthy man who by rights should have their balls cut off. That would soon put a stop to it. Women need to stand together and no man should get away with it.

Bettand it didn't just happen to me:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=2C-dk_S3Hz0

There is no doubt that there are cultural reasons why these particular paedophile rings have been able to flourish. I can't see why anyone with any sense would deny it. Its high time something was done to tackle the stigma attached to women and girls who have been abused in those communities. There should be something done to tackle the 'sons can do no wrong' attitude.

That doesn't mean someone posting ridiculous things about a continent made up of 54 countries isn't a racist.

In Pakistani villages they marry girls off as young as 11. I'm sure there are many other such disgusting practices in many other countries, but this kind of thing leads to a wrong perspective toward girls.

Age 12 in the USA, according to the Washington Post (I've seen similar articles in the New York Times and in the Independent.)

One of the reasons for these Asian men to have the fair game attitude towards white girls is because they are not muslims covering the themselves up 'properly' so therefore they are slags who 'want it'. I've heard that attitude first hand.

So therefore religious attitudes can fuel such backwards thinking.

The problem is not race, or religion, but any institutional structure which allows men to group together in the belief that they are untouchable. This can be an abuse of Islam, it can be priests in the Roman Catholic church, it can be white male DJs and TV personalities involving the cult of celebrity. Any ideology that puts groups of men in positions of power without accountability will do the trick.

TheFirstMrsDV Actually you are right, it is overt racism.

And some women migrants and asylum seekers are treated terribly by British men, particularly from Pakistan and India. Few seem to care about them.
And white men buying impoverished women from abroad are rarely condemned. In fact the women are often seen as golddiggers, rather than bought impoverished women.

I can't believe you are denying how difficult it is to be a female in. Morocco and Egypt.

www.news.com.au/world/north-america/60-minutes-reporter-brutalised-in-cairo-rape-ordeal-inks-new-tv-deal/news-story/d52809879430a17d2f149a0eeddd3faa

Of course religious attitudes can fuel misogyny. All of the Abrahamic religions are misogynistic.

Exactly men are most definitely still in power because until they stop attacking and raping women and children they can still use the threat of being able to commit violence over us in so many situations and for us to write off these occurances as unusual and only a few men we aren't helping ourselves as a group. There should be no excuses whatsoever.

Yes, agreed Prickly. Boarding schools too.
I still think we need to look at protecting the types of children preyed upon- often neglected, in care or of the underclass.

Look how they treat women in Afghanistan, this woman never burnt the Koran

www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000004108808/the-killing-of-farkhunda.html?smprod=amp&region=img

And none of it is specifically about race, but you can perhaps spot certain behaviour in certain groups certain targets but there are sexual predators in every level of society just going about in different ways and targeting different groups depending on their preferences.