To ask what has gone wrong in the UK

[Mumof56]

I'm talking about the latest sex grooming case in Newcastle. It's the seventh large scale sex gang scandal to hit the UK after cases from towns including Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxford and Bristol

I have seen nothing on mumsnet about this (although maybe I've missed it). This is shocking and outrageous. How has this been allowed to happen in so many areas? What is the solution?

This is "rape culture". Where are the (peaceful) protests and the show of support for these girls?

This kind of behaviour has gone on since time immemorial. Only now due to the widespread instant communication that exists are we made aware of it. Some cultures see no wrong in it either. Sadly it will not go away aĺ we can hope for is to be extra aware of how it comes about and stop it.

"Slut, slag, why am I walking round naked, nothing is done about it "

Do you report it to the police?

One of The members works in my local petrol station .....lovely

Bertrand yes but you have to film it, to have evidence which I didn't do, I didn't have their names and addresses, no proof, I will next time and put it on you tube

Surely if it happens all the time the police would send an officer or two round if you called while it was happening? Or reported it afterwards? Or do you think they are waiting for you to insult the prophet Mohammed before they come out mob handed?

Men like that vile creature in the White House don't help. Boasting of things he did to women. Yuk. Great example to US yoof!

*Misogynous cultural background, Islamic upbringing, lack of integration into UK mainstream, combined with a western culture where drinking and underage sex are pretty normal and there are a lot of vulnerable girls. This is not racism and it's not rocket science!
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Whilst I do totally agree with this we really shouldn't be limiting the issue.

Asian islamic culture is fucking heinous towards women and an incredibly intimidating one.

Worse holidays of my life being in Egypt and Morocco - genuinely feared for my safety despite wearing loose long sleeved clothing.

BUT there are whole continents I wouldn't ant any daughter of mine to live in., or marry a man from!

Who would want to live in India now as a women or female child? Be raped and its your fault for being out at midnight.

What female would want to live in Africa? And I mean the entire continent. Huge huge HUGE issue across this entire massive continent with female oppression and physical and sexual violence. Horrific.

Oh, the middle east. Same issues. Massive amount of oppression and violence against women.

Oh, Caribbean. Yup - lots of violence against women there. Jamaican male culture isn't one i'd want a daughter or friend exposed to.

Nice little white religious Ireland has atrocious issues whit women rights (abortion). Travelers in the UK have a hugely misogynistic culture.

The whole world (inc the UK) seems to be becoming more oppressive and misogynistic.

Oh, but now the US of A is moving more right wing and anti women rights (re abortion).

The UK has fucked it up over the past few decades with immigration - marriage visas have allowed shit loads of uneducated and culturally incompatible people in from e.g. shit hole Pakistani villages.

Also immigration has issues because as the 'home'; country developers and attitudes modernise, this isn't seen by people who left. Later in life in the UK the immigrants often revert to be more conservative and to their 'home values' where as actually their country of origin has moved on culturally but they hang on to ideas of the past.

I've witnessed this first hand in my area. There used to be a little girl lived across in the street that is at the bottom of our street, if I look through my blinds, I can see the house she used to live in. She was a normal girl from a normal very working class family. Her step-dad left and her mum started to drink when she just hit her teens. There was this group of Asian lads that hung around our street we used to call them the 'dodgys' because they were always causing trouble, vandalising stuff, harassing my neighbours teenage daughter. Next thing she was going with them places and before long there was trouble, the mum challenged them and they charged into the house and broke everything up, police were called, the mum sat on the steps and just cried. A few months later they moved away. My neighbour, who knew them better than me told me that the girl and her friend had been passed around the takeaways in the local area. I hope she had better once they got away. I still see some of those lads around here, they're now men, some married, one had a boy who was in the same year as my son. It makes me feel sick to see them. But you don't do anything because of what might happen, because it might be your house they break up and you can be hounded out.

We are going to move abroad hopefully, away from all this so it won't be part of my reality any more. I'm sure it's still going on, in fact I'm very sure.

It is a cultural thing and it does need to change, how is a very good question.

Can we stop with the 'all men rape' shit? This is what's got us here

Can you point out where his has been said?

You can't because no one has said it.

Oh my GOD they are doing it because they come from a culture that does not respect women!

I agree but I take it you don't think British culture respects women either?
I certainly don't!

Christ Hipster
I am glad I don't live in your head.
In fact I hope I don't live anywhere near you.

even women are excusing it

Yes women do excuse rape haven't seen it on this thread though

'She was a normal girl from a normal very working class family. Her step-dad left and her mum started to drink when she just hit her teens.'
But that isn't normal.

you have to film it, to have evidence which I didn't do ... I will next time and put it on you tube

Lloyd please can I urge you to not even consider this? Some of the abusers you mention are simply not used to having their behaviour challenged in any way, far less by women, and while I understand what you're trying to do you could easily place yourself in great danger

Certainly you can report these incidents to the police, but IME they're unlikely to be interested even if you can prove identity - and unless this kind of thing is designated a hate crime that situation is, IMO, unlikely to change

It's about opportunity. These two links are about what happened in Germany in 1945 - where men had the opportunity and the cultural conditioning that the women were somehow deserving of retribution. (Warning - they make grim reading)
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-32529679
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_during_the_occupation_of_Germany

Here, media representation of women (and girls), cultural misogyny, lack of resource in police/SS, availability of vulnerable girls and racial othering have created opportunity. But there is much more focus now, and hopefully that will continue to grow.

"PC" demands work both ways and are now putting more pressure on violence against women - something the "political correctness is rubbish" brigade happily ignore. But there's a long way to go - I worry for all my DDs.

In the interests of disclosure, I'm male. And think anyone that does not treat another human being with respect is contemptible and should face retribution (within the law).

Terrible though that this sort of intimidation is going on in the UK.

HipsterHunter - no offence, but are you sure this hideous evil muslim threat you felt constantly under when travelling wasn't in your head? I've travelled extensively in Morocco and never felt remotely in danger or had a bad experience. I've also lived and worked in India and think you're exaggerating hugely.

I don't know if you suffer from anxiety or something similar maybe? Because you kind of come across that way.

I have never been to Morocco, but heard lots of stories from women who travelled there without a man. All of them had been harassed. Women I know who went there with a man, had a very different experience.

I don't know if you suffer from anxiety or something similar maybe? Because you kind of come across that way.

Talk about gas lighting. I think Hipster made a lot of good points.

I have to say I would never travel to a country that so openly and unapologetically discriminated against women, such as Morocco (I've heard similar about harassment) or Dubai

WinnieThemMe I wonder if you are a woman and went with a male partner? If so, you would have had a totally different experience to a woman travelling alone or with other women.

But have read more of the thread now and wanted to say that of course not everyone from certain countries behaves in a certain way. There is a lot of covert racism on this thread.

There is a lot of covert racism on this thread.

Care to point it out, no one has mentioned race, nor only said it is confined to one demographic, this is textbook silencing of the debate that has made the right take control of the subject.

And I say that as a WOC.

You made some good points Hipster.

To condemn the whole of Africa for example, is covert racism.

Rwanda is the 6th best country for gender equality. Better than the UK.
www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/maps-and-graphics/mapped-the-best-and-worst-countries-for-gender-equality/

After the 1994 Rwandan genocide, 70 percent of the population was female. That's why they ended up with equal representation - a huge number of the male leaders were killed and women had to step up.