Is this accepted now? Young children and electronics on public transport.

[AnneGrommit]

The last few times I've been on a train (not in quiet coach) and quite often on the bus I've had my peace disturbed by toddlers with phones/tablets either playing noisy games on them or watching programmes. When I've asked parents to rein them in I've been invariably met with either passive aggressive remarks about not liking children (I have three myself) or outright hostility and a statement along the lines of "it keeps them quiet". No, it doesn't. It stops them from pestering you but it's far from quiet. AIBU or is this an accepted "thing" now? Because it's fucking annoying.

And I think you'll find plenty of posters here (me included) who are over 60.

BasketOfDeplorables Others will disagree with me, but in the case of things that aren't actually prohibited - we all have to cope with the fact that we will consider different things acceptable/unacceptable. I'm not saying that there aren't any selfish arseholes in the world, though. Some people won't have given it any thought, but many posters have thought about it, and think that noise is fine under some circumstances Far too sensible, reasonable and pragmatic but I couldn't agree more.

ArcheryAnnie but being told to avoid looking is pretty much the same as being told to avoid hearing isn't it?

I'm 48 in 11 days not that I'm counting or anything so I'm not exactly an adolescent.

but many posters have thought about it, and think that noise is fine under some circumstances

Being told that the person committing antisocial behaviour has thought about it carefully and decided that - for them, even if not anyone else - it's fine, is not a comfort to those affected by that antisocial behaviour.

f you're complaining about swearing on AIBU I really think you might like to consider that this is the wrong forum for you? Perhaps netmums? Bit like if you are complaining about other people's noise on public transport maybe you should use private transport?

But people have to use the bus to get to places, like work and appointments. No one is forcing you to use a very sweary internet forum.

Unless you're a Daily Mail journalist and you're relying on MN for stories of course. In which case - get a proper job.

YouTheCat, 48 is young in my book, my eldest is only 2 years younger than you.

granny you are comparing apples and oranges. Most of us need to travel for the necessities of life. Things that make this travel annoying and unpleasant have a big effect on us because we can't simply stop travelling.

A bit of swearing on one thread on an internet forum, where you can disengage if you don't like the swearing, does not impact anyone's life in anything like the same way.

YouTheCat, no one is forcing you to use public transport. Lots of alternatives.

Yes, but it doesn't mean that I'm somehow being ageist to disagree with you in so many ways.

Really? Alternatives that cost the same?

ArcheryAnnie, can't you see it is rude when someone says it is offending them? Why should I have to leave, why don't the swearers stop?

Actually I'm not entitled so although I don't like it I just ignore it.

Bicycles are pretty cheap after the initial layout. The point is if you can't afford private transport you have to accept that just because you think it is a rule that children can't use gadgets it doesn't mean that is a fact.

And furthermore, granny, the owners of this internet site specifically say there's likely to be swearing. It's put forward as a feature, not a bug.

We are all here playing in MNHQ's sandpit. If MNHQ decide they don't want us to swear, then if we want to continue playing here then we will have to decide whether to abide by those rules or not. At the moment, swearing as such isn't a problem for them.

With public transport, there are also rules, including against antisocial behaviour. Public transport in the UK has long had posters, etc, asking people with personal devices to turn their devices down if other passengers find them too loud - and that's on the assumption that the sound is leaking from headphones. If there's no headphones at all that is clearly crossing a line.

And we're back to the comprehension issue. Nowhere on here have I said that I object to the use of gadgets in public. I object to the use of gadgets with the volume turned up high.

Bicycles are pretty cheap after the initial layout. The point is if you can't afford private transport you have to accept that just because you think it is a rule that children can't use gadgets it doesn't mean that is a fact.

Not everyone is physically able to cycle, and not everyone can cycle long distances.

I don't think anyone has said that children can't use gadgets - I certainly wouldn't say so. What I and others have said is that children should not have the sound on audible from those gadgets.

And there are rules about antisocial behaviour on public transport.

This can't be for real. Can it? Have we got a particularly energetic troll on the thread?

If they are too loud and yet people have said it doesn't matter how quiet the device is if there is any sound it isn't acceptable.

Many of us don't agree that a child watching PeppaPig at a reasonable volume is antisocial behaviour. Just because some people don't like it doesn't mean it is antisocial.

In fact there are polite notices on the buses that I use about not using devices with the volume turned up and to use gadgets considerately.

Yeah, maybe we have, lucy. It's so obtuse it can't be genuine. Anyway, I think I've done engaging with it.

So some people have physical problems wow, who'd have guessed. Some children have problems and their gadgets help. Consideration for both?

YouTheCat you might only object at a certain volume, but people have said any sound is too much? Do you agree with that?