Are you a feminist?

[NoLoveofMine]

Yes or no...

No because I think this man hating, finding men at fault in everything they do is just ridiculous.

For many it is not about equality it is about demonising men and I have no interest in being associated with such group.

I don't understand how people can say that the feminism boards put them off feminism?! To me, posters like VestalVirgin, Bertrand and Datun are the crystal clear voices of reason! I actually learnt what feminism really is on mumsnet, and it makes perfect sense.

These posters aren't regarded as being feminists by many feminists.

There are many ways I believe women and girls are oppressed; one which starts from a young age is street harassment.

What about feminism is "man hating"?

Yes, and increasingly 'not the fun kind'

I think i am trying not to be a feminist but sometimes life makes it difficult not to be.

Feminism is not about man hating.
Do some reading!
It's about equality.
I fail to understand why anyone who is a reasonable or intelligent person wouldn't want to consider themselves a feminist

No

It's interesting that the same objections were made to defend apartheid.

Black people hate white people.
Black people cant agree.
Black people are going to curtail my freedoms.

And the blinder- a black person once said something extreme so I'm put off supporting the cause.

I do think there will be a surge in feminism when your daughters and great aunts have to change big hairy arses and erect cocks

Yes. I am. As I am woman. Why would not believe women are equal to men?

change beside

bad typo

Are you also a feminist in a Malala sort of way, a Roxanne Gay sort of way, a Mhairi Black sort of way?

Just think it's interesting that EW was the feminist icon that you wanted people to associate you with.

Is there an actual agreement on feminist goals though and what a feminist is? It seems to be all over the place with feminists totally at odds with each other.

Haven't read the whole thread, so it has probably moved on. But yes, of course I'm a feminist. And I'll be as militant as I need to be to protect my human rights, and if men or women want to interpret that as me hating them, that's not my concern.

Yes.
I would say I am a radical feminist and I blame that on MN. I lurk mostly on the feminism boards but when I do post find them welcoming. I have learnt a lot from listening to the women on those boards.
I find it really weird that people expect feminists to agree on everything in some sort of hive mind. I have been involved with the Labour party all my life, there is no expectation that I agree with every other Labour voter. The expectation that feminism needs to do this is frankly odd.

The black/white analogy to women/men does not work. Racists don't marry and live with the opposite race. They certainly don't share their money with them.

The relationship between men and women in society is sui generis and there really is not an analogy that works.

These posters aren't regarded as being feminists by many feminists.

Why?

I don't believe Transwomen are women though so that kind of rules me out of what seems to be the majority feminist view. Those feminists say I'm not a feminist - would throw me out of their groups - if i wanted to id as a feminist.

"I don't understand how people can say that the feminism boards put them off feminism?! To me, posters like VestalVirgin, Bertrand and Datun are the crystal clear voices of reason! I actually learnt what feminism really is on mumsnet, and it makes perfect sense.

These posters aren't regarded as being feminists by many feminists."

Gosh. Who are the "many feminists" who wouldn't regard me as a feminist and why?

(I am having a little personal side bet about a name that will come up, by the way)

Yes. I'm a feminist:

99% of sexual violence in the Uk is carried out by men, the vast majority of victims are women.

Victims of DV are mainly women (and children)

Women are attacked because they are women.

That's in the UK.

The situation for women in some countries is much, much worse. As an example, rape, of women, is used both as a corrective measure and in warfare.

So yes, I'm a feminist. Being a woman is borderless, until that shit stops across the world, we've not cracked it.

I don't believe Transwomen are women though

Neither do I. And I don't understand why my stance on that is classed as intolerance and hatred. If I say a short person isn't tall, it doesn't mean I hate short people. If I say a thin person isn't fat, it doesn't mean I hate thin people. But if I say a well built man with a beard and a penis isn't a woman? Actual violence, supposedly.

Paris Lees says you're not a feminist Bertrand - i'd be curious as to the figures on how many feminists agree with Paris or not.

Now curious as to the name you're thinking of!

Why are those posters not feminists? Who says? What utter shite!

Yes, yes, yes. And I find it very difficult to comprehend women who aren't. We will keep fighting for equality on your behalf and you can thank us later.

Ps. I haven't read this thread as I fear it will make for depressing reading but I have learnt so much under various usernames on the feminist boards here - thank you to the many posters who are so articulate and well read!