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Are you a feminist?

999 replies

NoLoveofMine · 06/08/2017 02:03

Yes or no...

OP posts:
BertrandRussell · 06/08/2017 10:05

Paris Lees is not "many feminists".

stitchglitched · 06/08/2017 10:06

Still not understanding why it is 'man hating' to point out that men harm women. It is fact. Denying reality because 'my husband wouldn't hurt a fly' helps nobody and stops these issues being properly addressed.

GetAHaircutCarl · 06/08/2017 10:07

larry of course black and white people intermarry. That doesn't mean that white people, as a class, do not oppress black people. Or that the white person in the marriage does not have some vested interest in that oppression.

DarkerWeb · 06/08/2017 10:07

You're brilliant @FreddyStarsHamster

It reminded me of May being asked what the Tories have ever done for women: her reply "make them Prime Minister"

jellyfrizz · 06/08/2017 10:08

If you want to argue that the system is stacked to enable men to win in careers then the argument is equally valid for it enabling girls to 'win' at school.

Well, yes. Success at school, especially recently, is achieved by ticking boxes, learning what you are told, following the teaching-to-the-test pattern.

Being 'good' and doing what you're told is something that girls are heavily socialised to do.

I don't think the current education system or female socialisation to conform is a good thing.

jellyfrizz · 06/08/2017 10:09

For males or females.

Alltheprettyseahorses · 06/08/2017 10:09

Paris Lees isn't a feminist at all. He's a man with an agenda that includes oppressing women.

Sandsnake · 06/08/2017 10:09

Yes, absolutely.

Although that doesn't mean that I agree with everything any feminist has ever said / done.

woodhill · 06/08/2017 10:12

Selfishness is what it boils down to and they are too important to not speed

woodhill · 06/08/2017 10:12

So sorry wrong thread ignoreSmile

GetAHaircutCarl · 06/08/2017 10:13

I'm sure bertrand is sobbing into her tea at the thought that PL wouldn't consider he a feminist Grin.

WomanOfDeedsNotWords · 06/08/2017 10:16

I'm a feminist in a "women of this world are still denied full legal and social equality with men" way.

bellasuewow · 06/08/2017 10:19

I am a feminist and I find this thread quite depressing and it has made me thoughtful about womans opposition to their own rights and how this has held women's rights back. I wish we were not so divided on the issue.

BartholinsSister · 06/08/2017 10:19

Yes, ... but I don't blame everything on patriarchy or misogyny.
The men pissing on floors, do they not do this where there is a male cleaner too?
The men attacking women, because they hate women? Or because these particular men are cunts?
I doubt they believe it's OK for other men to attack their mothers/sisters/daughters.

treaclesoda · 06/08/2017 10:21

I have learned a lot from reading the feminism boards on mumsnet.

My real life experience in my upbringing was never of the outright sneering misogyny type. My father was a good hard working man who would never have raised his voice to my mother much less raise his hand. But he was very guilty of the 'men think about big important things and women need protecting' school of thought. He needed some guidance in treating women as equals but he certainly wouldn't wish women any harm.

However, the open hostility towards women is something that I see a lot in discussion and it has really shocked me. Newspaper comments sections online are particularly Shock because there seems to be a lot of men who can not say anything nice about women at all. They want children, but they resent women having maternity leave. They resent women who stay at home to look after their children because they are lazy parasites. But they resent women in the workplace who are parents because they might occasionally need to take leave because a child is ill etc. So they don't want women to work, but they don't want women to not work. They want children, but they think that the women who bear the children should be financially and emotionally responsible for those children. Oh, but despite hating women so much, they still want sex. With women. Hmm

LassWiTheDelicateAir · 06/08/2017 10:23

I pole dance, have fake boobs, I'm taking my husbands surname. I've been told that I'm not a feminist because of these things. I am happy with that if it means I get to keep my hobby, be able to wear the clothes I want, and have a surname that I actually like. I'm not going to undo these things so that I can call myself a feminist

I said earlier on I am not a feminist. Colluding with the sex " industry" damages all women.

TheEgregiousPeach · 06/08/2017 10:24

Yes I am. And yes I do believe misogyny exists, it's in full swing and having a bloody party it's that prevalent.

I disagree that feminism has achieved its goals. I've got to go to work now, another day another dollar, right? Oh, I mean 77 cents....Damn that gender pay gap.

ohamIreally · 06/08/2017 10:25

Yes absolutely

treaclesoda · 06/08/2017 10:25

I doubt they believe it's OK for other men to attack their mothers/sisters/daughters.

I'd disagree actually. Either they would think it's fine 'women need a slap to keep them in line, you know what it's like lads'. Or they'd be outraged but only because they see the women in their lives as their property. They'd be upset in the same way as they'd be upset by someone scratching their car. Not upset because their wife/mother/daughter has actual feelings of her own.

BadToTheBone · 06/08/2017 10:27

Yes, both daughters are too

What sooperdooper says, unless you view women as 2nd to men then you're a feminist. I don't get how it's a insult, unless you buy into the patriarchal disinformation.

bambambini · 06/08/2017 10:29

I'm sure bertrand is sobbing into her tea at the thought that PL wouldn't consider he a feminist grin.

But a lot of feminists agree with Paris rather than Bertrand. Stats would be interesting. I'd really like to know where feminism stands on Transwomen are women and on self identification.

BertrandRussell · 06/08/2017 10:29

"Yes, ... but I don't blame everything on patriarchy or misogyny.
The men pissing on floors, do they not do this where there is a male cleaner too?
i'm not talking about places where there is a paid cleaner-although that would be an example of the patriarchal hierarchy too-expecting a lower status person to clean up after them. I'm talking about in relationships. I don't know how this would work in with gay men, though
The men attacking women, because they hate women? Or because these particular men are cunts?
Probably both. But if I can be allowed a very personal short rant, I think the use of the word "cunt" here is incredibly telling. I find it so depressing and sad that it is still the worst insult available
I doubt they believe it's OK for other men to attack their mothers/sisters/daughters.
Absolutely. For many men, women are divided into "my women" and "women". Very different rules apply to the two types of women

bambambini · 06/08/2017 10:30

Feminists can't even agree what a woman is - i mean that is sor of important to the movement surely.

BertrandRussell · 06/08/2017 10:32

The whole discussion about what makes a woman is very new. Of course people aren't going to be able to come to instant decisions. That's why there is so much debate about it.

SmileEachDay · 06/08/2017 10:33

The men attacking women, because they hate women? Or because these particular men are cunts?
I doubt they believe it's OK for other men to attack their mothers/sisters/daughters

So why is DV overwhelmingly male on female?
Why are women overwhelmingly the victims of sexual attacks?

Women are violently or sexually attacked because they are women. Otherwise these cunty men would attack other men at the same rate.