Are you a feminist?

[NoLoveofMine]

Yes or no...

ANew what part of my post makes you think of me as an idiot?! None of it was incorrect

The comparison is men lying about contraception vs women lying about contraception, in an otherwise consensual sexual encounter

Now you're definitely being obtuse.

One is telling a li
The other is also telling a lie whilst penetrating a woman's body in a way that she has NOT consented to.

It beggars belief that this actually has to be explained.

But I'll say it again, this lack of regard for women's bodies shows exactly why we still need feminism

It seems it's defended as a woman's right to lie about contraception

When has anyone defended it? We've said it's not comparable with secretly removing a condom. That doesn't mean we think it's OK

Half of these posts are you making things up TBH

Condoms are not 100% effective at stopping sti's. So even with condoms there is the risk the woman will contract an sti...But I'm sure you know that

Are fucking kidding me?

There's a tremendous chance it will protect against them. IF YOU AGREE TO USE A CONDOM WITH A WOMAN YOU ARE CONSENTING TO PROTECTED SEX. Take that protection away then sex is no longer consensual.

But let's pretend that your whacko theory holds water and turn it around - The pill wont 100% stop you getting pregnant. So that means it makes no difference if a woman takes it or not, no?

I believe that something like women are responsible for 60% of foreign objects inserted into boys under 10

Evidence?

Someone brought up differences within feminism earlier. It seems that we have lost the ability to accept these differences without name calling, ascribing negative attributes to those who differ (with no evidence at all), or dismissing the person as anti feminist. This does not just happen in FWR, it happens across the site, but when it happens in FWR it does put women off feminism.

I said earlier that I am a feminist, but not a MN feminist. Had my first experience of named, overt feminism been MN, I doubt I would use that label to describe myself.

I've definitely got a house in MRA bingo.

Notice how the MRAs and those who are very like them never actually really care about men, they're only ever interested in saying "but women do this too...."
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ANew in the case of sex abuse in boys, women account for around 14% of perpetrators, not 60%

victimsofcrime.org/media/reporting-on-child-sexual-abuse/statistics-on-perpetrators-of-csa

@JacquesHammer

You're obviously better at rugby than I was. I'm not comparing biggest with biggest but typical with typical. In fact, the biggest / best men are likely to be skimmed out of county rugby to play for teams whereas the biggest / best women are still in clubs, hammering us other women.

re. snipping and quotes - no.

@CherryChasingDotMuncher

Every post you've made on this thread (esp. in the last 20 minutes) makes you sound like an idiot. At least the OP and others who I disagree with seem like educated and intelligent women.

By the way, your use of MRA just makes you sound even less personable.

@BertrandRussell

Saying you're raising a feminist child appears to mean you refuse to accept the difference between the dictionary definition of feminism (which only the biggest arsehole could disagree with) and what feminism now means to the majority of people.

I'll ask because you've responded to most real questions so I guess there's a good chance you'll answer my (real) questions.

Do you think there's a difference between the dictionary def. of feminism and what it's commonly taken to mean?

Do you accept people like me who absolutely believe in equality of the sexes but don't wish to be labelled a feminist anymore?

Assuming a 'yes' to either of the above questions, why do you think there's a huge disparity between those who don't like the label but believe in equality?

Every post you've made on this thread (esp. in the last 20 minutes) makes you sound like an idiot. At least the OP and others who I disagree with seem like educated and intelligent women

Again, I disagree so you'll have to be specific and explain why my posts are idiotic. Otherwise it's basically me asking "why are they idiotic" and you saying "because they are". I've stated facts - that's idiotic, how? How about engaging in debate instead of throwing round insults?

Don't know what you mean by the MRA point - are you saying they don't exist??

ANewAlias you're being really rude to a lot of people now.

@cherry

Do you know the difference between skin to skin contact transmitted sti's and bodily fluid transmission ones?

Also re my posting style I know lots of short posts aren't ideal but you can't copy and paste in different areas using the app so I prefer to do it one at a time.

You see carefully selected statistics. You'll also notice, when a professional from that very field explains why those exact statistics are not accurate, they'll be accused of lieing either about their role or why those statistics aren't accurate. Or even better called a handmaiden/MRA. Makes it so much fun to engage hmm

This is what I wrote. This and only this, so how in the name of blue fuck, have you managed to get

So, you said when the statistics are proven to be wrong, essentially, didn't you? ie all those pesky statistics about male violence towards women are wrong
Because I didn't say that did I? You're completely making it up as you go along. Why are they "pesky?" They're carefully selected as I said in my first post

The point that I then extrapolated from that was that, presumably, you must feel that the actual correct statistics paint a very different picture, no?
So you presumed? You didn't check, you just presumed and were happy to argue that point rather than what I actually wrote because it suits your agenda.

I suppose you think that the main point of your post was about the awful reaction from the feminists that goes on once the unspecified 'professionals' turn up to refute the statistics. But since you don't have any specfic examples to cite, I don't think this is a killer point
There you go again. You "suppose" this time. Arguing a point which you haven't even confirmed that the other poster was making. Exactly what I said earlier- it's the MN feminism way. Fucking pathetic

skin contact transmitted sti's and bodily fluid transmission ones?

Yes do you understand about consent? Because I really don't think you do. Using a condom won't protect against crabs, but will (unless the highly unlikely event that it fails) against chlamydia. I don't really understand your point, do you think condoms are pointless?

Jeez. Ok Freddy.

So when you said the statistics were proved to be wrong, you didn't actually mean that they were proved wrong??

If you say something is not right, I presume you mean it's wrong. Is that the sort of presumption you object to?

ANewAlias - surely if you'd played rugby you'd appreciate biggest doesn't equal best?

That doesn't mean to say that if men played against women the women would be at a natural disadvantage. For example you're aware right that the basic tackling stance is different between men/women due to physiological differences in the pelvis.

oh and FYI saying "no" doesn't mean you're correct. HTH

Freddy and I did check didn't I?? I asked you if had other stats that painted a different picture.

You didn't answer... you just went off on a rant.

So when you said the statistics were proved to be wrong, you didn't actually mean that they were proved wrong??

WHERE. DID. I. FUCKING. SAY. THAT??????

No

You said professionals would come onto a thread and prove the statistics to be inaccurate. And then feminists you would be all unreasonable quote about it. You quoted it yourself a few pages back. Are you having a breakdown?

@JacquesHammer

I played for the county but was a bit crap, TBH.

I didn't know that tackling stances were different. If bigger doesn't equal better, there's surely no argument in trans people and sport. If being more massive does give an advantage then surely weight classes seems fair. Those at the top of their game (including size) will usually be men.

I feel I was kind of forced into rugby because of my height (6'1"), bolshy attitude and above-average-ish ball handling.

re. "snipping", as someone who spends a lot of their life either quoting others or marking those who have quoted, a personal bugbear of mine is ellipsis at the beginning or end of a quotation (and announcing the fact is no different). We assume that a quote is snipped. Ellipsis within a sentence or quotation must be treated quite differently.

Anew

It seems a little strange that you're "raising a feminist son". How will he vote? Which rugby team will he support? Republican, socialist, conservative, anarchist? Christian, Muslim or scientist?

Jesus.

I didn't think anyone would be interested in the entire range of my parenting. I don't have him locked in a cupboard on a Germaine Greer based reading programme. I was being slightly

Sorry - that's all wrong. Autocorrect and stuff.

*And then feminists would be all unreasonable about it.