Are you a feminist?

[NoLoveofMine]

Yes or no...

Starting a discussion and flouncing when it doesn't go your way is not really great debating (slightly different to contributing to an existing thread I think). You could perhaps have provided evidence to support your view and demonstrate why you believe everyone else was dying.

Insert passive aggressive smiley face here.

Oh my word! Wrong not dying!

"My DH and boys call themselves feminists. It's not up to me to decide whether they are 'worthy' of the name because they are male and I'm female, it is their actions that define who they are."

What do they do?

Fellati0H ??? Wrong thread ?

Icantreachthepretzels

Fair point. But sometimes an acknowledgement that others might just have a point could dilute negative impression created. Just my view and I know I'm frequently not right!

@pain in most (all?) western coutries they'd be celebrated and supported. If they want to follow some backwards ideals, while living in a civilised society, they are at fault.

If it's in some shithole country, it's the women there that need to get together and form a support network to change attitudes and and stop it happening to their children. They've had it done themselves so know more than we ever could about it.

Either way it's the parents who are responsible for allowing it to continue.

Fellati0Hornblower

Oh my word! Wrong not dying!

Still ?? Who has flounces?

No Lass, just incompetent typing and checking on my part!

I am a feminist and try and encourage my daughters to see inequality in all areas.

I don't believe feminism has achieved its goals - women are not treated equally or even fairly in a lot of areas, there is deeply ingrained prejudice in so many of us, including women's attitudes to other women.

I also feel that boys and men suffer some disadvantage in our society through traditional views about women. This is not the fault of feminism of a patriarchal society.

"Starting a discussion and flouncing when it doesn't go your way is not really great debating (slightly different to contributing to an existing thread I think). You could perhaps have provided evidence to support your view and demonstrate why you believe everyone else was dying"

I'm pretty sure I would have provided evidence that supported my view to my satisfaction . And it's unlikely that I would have flounced. Not really my style-I've only done it a couple of times. It's much more likely that I just didn't return to the thread.....

where the OP tried to make the point that Tim Peake had been more lauded than Helen Sherman because he is a man. Several pages of posters pointed out that HS was equally ubiquitous as TP,

Sorry, thread was moving too fast. I Don't know who either of these people are.

As long as 6 year girls are still having their clitorises cut off, I don't really see how one cannot be a feminist. Calling ones self a 'humanist ' is just a cop out.

Well we see it rather differently. However it was actually meant as an illustration of that I was talking about rather than a dig at you. I'm certainly not looking to argue with or about you. I tried to keep it anonymous I will just mention. It was an example not a specific point to argue and I'm not looking for a ding dong.

I do stand by my general points though. If I feel that way then others will too.

It's interesting that there have been several comments about how "angry" or "aggressive" tone puts people off feminism.

How much of the putting off can be attributed to the fact that women are socialised to be "nice", "gentle", "quiet". If we raise our voices, get mad then we are behaving in a way which goes against the stereotype.

I think angry is entirely appropriate when women are STILL oppressed.

Frankly, I'm amazed that anyone remembers that thread. And I still think I was right

Anyway. Moving on............

Astronauts Lass. HS was the first Britain in space and TP the second albeit many years later.

Bertrand...
The boys not much, they're only young with a vague understanding of what it is. But they correct people about things boys and girls can/can't do, and both are long haired and have to argue about that almost daily.

DH, well he sees me as his equal, supports my radical leanings and is very far from an alpha male sterotype so has personal understanding of why patriarchy is also negative for men. He was brought up by a single dad so knows that the MRAs are talking nonsense about family courts favouring women, and tbh he's probably a better parent to the boys than I am! Basically any negatives I see around mn or RL, I don't recognise from our relationship. But then I am on the asd spectrum and he very likely is (though he denies it!) so I wonder if that makes a difference?

He's far from perfect, but I do feel lucky very often for having a 'good one'

"I do stand by my general points though. If I feel that way then others will too"

What you seem to be saying is that if a feminist says something and other people disagree with her, she should graciously accept that she was wrong all along..........

Fair point. But sometimes an acknowledgement that others might just have a point could dilute negative impression created. Just my view and I know I'm frequently not right!

That may well be true in this particular case (with respect the Bertrand, I didn't see the thread and would not like to judge the extent of her flounce). But this was an example that you raised to demonstrate your point that a problem with feminism, on the whole, is looking for a feminist issue in anything. Just because one op might have flounced off one feminist thread doesn't mean it isn't worth bringing up any issue that you think might be unfair in case it turns out to be nothing. Maybe this one example was a storm in a teacup - doesn't mean the next one will be.

As long as 6 year girls are still having their clitorises cut off, I don't really see how one cannot be a feminist. Calling ones self a 'humanist ' is just a cop out

Humanism is a rejection of theocracy. It has nothing to with being or not being a feminist.

humanism.org.uk/humanism/

A tangent worth taking. Never understood and never will understand this very odd idea that a woman doesn't own her name.

Indeed. This seems grounded in sexism in itself - a woman's surname is actually her father's, so her identity is never deemed her own whereas a man's is.

Or that is always oddly her surname which is so terrible (someone I used to work with was Mrs Smellie, still pondering what was worse than that)

I concur entirely although not sure what it says about my maturity that I'm still chuckling at this and want to tell others of it...

Equalist is what you're thinking of, I think - not humanist.

Fellati0Hornblower

Astronauts Lass. HS was the first Britain in space and TP the second albeit many years later

Thanks. I know Google is my friend in these situations but I thought I might as well own up to my ignorance !

Your husband and sons sound excellent BeyondQueenOfLists. It's great your sons are already challenging sexism and stereotypes.