Are you a feminist?

[NoLoveofMine]

Yes or no...

If you are prepared to understand a little more, theredpillmovie.com

I'm fairly certain the FWR regulars (and me) are familiar with Jaye and her movie.

Watch the movie. Really. Unless you are hellbent on thinking women are the only ones getting a raw deal anywhere, simply because you are more familiar with those issues.

I am a feminist, as was my mother and her mother. I am not a MNet feminist.

lass familiar with it? As in heard of it? Or actually seen it?

Watch the movie. Really.

I have.

If anything it made me more feminist than I was before!

Takes, the 1 in 3 figure is false, it's not true.

"Family court. The justice system. Paternity rights"

In what way?

Seriously?!

this is a really good article that explains why the 1 in 3 figure is false

TakesTheCake

lass familiar with it? As in heard of it? Or actually seen it?

I can't claim to have sat through all of it. What I did see was tedious and took forever to get to any point. I have read articles by and about her. Jaye has been discussed several times on FWR threads.

If you already knew that 1 in 3 victims of DV are men, you are already ahead of most people. I didn't.

They're not though. Thats incorrect.

Family courts are usually weighed in favour of who has been the most consistent caregiver. This is because they are interested in what's best for the children.

If some men don't like this, perhaps they should have done more for their children?

Yes. Absolutely.

Yes, Takes. Seriously.

The family court, for example, has the interest of the child front and centre. A man who is the primary carer is likely to remain the primary carer. But most men aren't.

Did you see my post about FGM and circumcision, by the way? I think you should read it before you get further drawn into the MRA fold.

If you already knew that 1 in 3 victims of DV are men, you are already ahead of most people. I didn't.

I'm going to take issue with this - as someone who has worked in DV for over a decade this statistic being thrown about indiscriminately winds me right up.

The statistics do NOT take into account that many male "victims" are also perpetrators. If my DH pushes me and I hit out in self defence, do you know how common it would be for him to say "look you're violent, I'm going to call the police on you". And he'd do it too, and thereafter I'd be too afraid to contact the police ever again because they wouldn't believe me. Do you know how often this happens? It's a standard abusive man tactic.

In my ten years of DV work I saw only two genuine male victims. The scores of others who said they were victims turned out to be lying. Before I get accused of bias let me tell you that's not just my opinion, that's factual - in nearly all the cases there was physical evidence they were abusive to their partners and children. In three of these cases these men ended up murdering the women they were apparently abused by.

X post with many others I see!!

LassWiTheDelicateAir

Although thread has moved on I was answering the OP

I stopped looking to fit in with labels along time ago.

But it is worth mentioning that many feminists don't believe that a man can be a feminist, only an ally (and in some cases not even an ally).

I think that it is a strange situation whereby you don't actually try to engage the opposition just tell them that they are wrong and expect a positive response without any discourse.

What I despair about the most eith gender politics is the hatred it seems to whip up.

The thing about the hatred whipped up over gender politics is that the MGTOW subreddits are full of sex based slurs, rape fantasy and a whole lot of whining about what they'd like to do to women who won't pay them attention and how badly they will treat us when the nuclear apocalypse comes and we're begging for protection and resources because we can't do anything ourselves

Over on the incel subreddits they celebrate 'St. Elliots day' the day a man published a manifesto about interring women in concentration camps and then went out and committed a mass shooting because women wouldn't sleep with him.

Return of the Kings is run by a man who has as good as admitted to raping several women in his own articles and gives advice to others on how to do it.

All are increasing right wing (and by that i mean fascist) leaning. These are the people who funded, appeared in and who watch the red pill movie that you are so impressed by.

Meanwhile 'hatred' on feminist blogs looks like women quoting statistics about male violence, or complaining about everyday sexism they face - every day.

In real life this hatred spills out as 2 women a week murdered by their partners, 85000 rapes a year, cat calling, assault and harassment on the part of men. On the part of women it plays out as ... um ... well I guess we don't always giggle girlishly when someone shouts 'nice tits' at us (It's a compliment don'tchyaknow?)

Hatred in gender politics looks very different depending on what side you view it from. But women have to do far less to be 'man hating' and 'angry', whereas men's behaviour is excused or laughed away.

"But it is worth mentioning that many feminists don't believe that a man can be a feminist, only an ally (and in some cases not even an ally)"

What's wrong with being an ally? Why do you want the name "feminist"?

You do not have a woman's lived experience-any more than I have a man's. Or a black person's.

Fantastic post, Ican.

Great post Pretzels

I've been a feminist since forever (I can't remember a time in my life when I wasn't).

It seemed natural to me.

mum FGM is not for the parents gratification. It is done entirely for me. There are 3 types of FGM, which range from trimming of the 'raggedy bits' for aesthetic purposes; to the removal of the clitoris and sewing up of the vagina. The clitoris is removed so that women will not enjoy sex and so will be less likely to be unfaithful. The vagina is sewed up so that it is tighter, for a man's pleasure.

Depending on culture FGM is preformed on girls generally between the ages of 5 and 16. Sometimes twice, if the first go is not considered sufficient

BertrandRussell

Why would I want to take an active part in the changes that are going affect my life and not want to be a bystander?

But then that is the difference between fighting for Equality for everyone and fighting for women's rights.

I think that it is a strange situation whereby you don't actually try to engage the opposition just tell them that they are wrong and expect a positive response without any discourse*

I think this just begins to redress the balance though, doesn't it. Women don't need men to validate their experiences

"But it is worth mentioning that many feminists don't believe that a man can be a feminist, only an ally (and in some cases not even an ally)"

What's wrong with being an ally? Why do you want the name "feminist"?

I don't understand the need to claim the name but to be fair to BoneyBack there are plenty of instances in the media of men saying they are feminists and of that being accepted. Think of that "this is what a feminist looks like campaign" for one.

You do not have a woman's lived experience-any more than I have a man's. Or a black person's

Huge swathes of what is claimed as "a woman's lived experience" on FWR aren't mine. I have no interest in claiming the name but by that argument it isn't mine either.