Are you a feminist?

[NoLoveofMine]

Yes or no...

"retreatwhispering blthat is great. will you challenge beliefs and behaviours that damage men too?"

The patriarchy damages men.

Incidentally , do men challenge beliefs and behaviours that damage women?

Where I do get annoyed though is when women's rights are narrowed down to conversations about reproduction, children, maternity leave etc etc. It tends to then become exclusive to a certain group of women and thus excludes women for whom pregnancy, maternity leave etc will never be part of their lives or experiences.

Not RTFT yet but... buffy was not banned. She deregged.
As you were...

WellErr, I can take an interest in both. I think both are important. Why can't you?

Would you say that to black people who work for improved rights?

Would you say 'but what about WHITE people?'

actually, I bet you would

Takes, did you read the article I posted, what did you think? Do you now believe that the 1 in 3 figure is false?

"Where I do get annoyed though is when women's rights are narrowed down to conversations about reproduction, children, maternity leave etc etc"

Yes, that would annoy me too.........

TakeTheCake

I got the expression slightly wrong. It was "fuck her right in the pussy"

Here is Straughan's blog.

owningyourshit.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/?m=1

For the second time, I am only comparing them in that they are both surgery on genitals, and people accept circumcision, and I cannot understand why. I hate both FGM and circumcision. Why is that so hard to understand?

No one has a go at Oxfam for not supporting animal rights but somehow feminism must care about everyone and everything. They must centre everyone else or they are seen as not caring. It's actually similar to how women are treated in society, care for others, put themselves at the back of the queue.

Because you are grouping them together as if they were comparable. They're not.

If male circumcision involved the head of the penis being removed and stopped the person from being able to have a functioning or in any way pleasurable sex life, then they would be.

Do you know what FGM is?

Of coursssssee I do. Both kinds.

Women's rights are going backwards. All workers rights are going backwards - zero hours, holiday pay, sick pay etc being diminished. These impact disproportionately on working class women.

Capitalism or feminism - that's a whole nother thread?

All mutilation of children for the parents gratification is disgusting.

TakesTheCake

For the second time, I am only comparing them in that they are both surgery on genitals, and people accept circumcision, and I cannot understand why. I hate both FGM and circumcision. Why is that so hard to understand?

What is so hard to understand is why you think feminists (whoever they might be) either don't care about circumcision and/ or should be campaigning as feminists against it.

I write to MPs about abortion rights, the introduction of the Nordic model and animal welfare. I don't expect women who call themselves feminists to campaign for animal welfare because they are feminists.

Your beliefs don't hold water takes if they are not based on facts.

Circumcision is not equivalent to fgm. The figures you quoted about dv are wrong.

"and people accept circumcision, and I cannot understand why. I hate both FGM and circumcision. Why is that so hard to understand?"

It's not hard to understand. So do I. And if you have a look at the threads on the subject, so do the vast majority of mumsnetters.

The problem here (and I do apologize if I am femsplaining) is that it is a very common MRA tactic to equate infant male circumcision and FGM as if they were equivalent practices They minimize FGM- I was banned from MRA Reddit for challenging the view that in many cases, FGM is simply a token pin prick to a baby girl's vulva, and therefore less damaging than male circumcision. If you are new to this discussion, do be careful.

Can I ask why you're only bothered about men's rights, Takes? Why don't you care about refugees in Syria? When was the last time you volunteered down the RSPCA?

It's possible to be interested in more than one thing, you know.

Takes, so you know what FGM is. Good. No have a think as to why it is perpetrated. Why does a women's sexual behaviour ( because this is what FGM affects, along with health and reproductive issues) need to be controlled?

People accept circumcision because a centuries old patriarchal, woman hating, book told men to chop off their foreskins to show that they had a special bond with God (women did not have to perform a mutilation to show their devotion to God as God did not want a special bond with women - they had periods and ate apples given to them by snakes and other such yucky things).

This book became religion. people used to die and kill for religion and everybody is a bit afraid of going up against it because they will be called a bigot, or accused of interfering with someone's beliefs. There are lots of problematic aspects of religions that do need tackling, circumcision is one of them. Not necessarily feminism's first job or most pressing issue though. Although I am sure many feminists do consider it a pressing issue and are tackling it, we're not a hive mind you see and one of the good things about that is that we can wage war on lots of different fronts according to our own priorities.

(FGM is cultural rather than religious, both Christians and Muslims are known to perform it in parts of Africa - Somalia I think is the main place.)

Capitalism or feminism - that's a whole nother thread?

Indeed it is. Personally I think a liberal, democratic, secular capitalist society is by far the best place to be a woman than any of the other options available.

What I despair about the most eith gender politics is the hatred it seems to whip up. I don't hate anyone but I can see that things are skewed against men in lots of ways just as things are skewed against women in lots of ways. It was eye-opening to me to understand more about the other side of the coin.

If you already knew that 1 in 3 victims of DV are men, you are already ahead of most people. I didn't. I didn't know how hideously Erin Pizzey was treated by the feminist movement. It was all new to me.

If you are prepared to understand a little more, theredpillmovie.com.

"things are skewed against men in lots of ways "

Tell me some?

Not RTFT yet but... buffy was not banned. She deregged.
As you were...

I've deregged at least twice. It's rather dramatic to dereg and ask for all one's posts to be removed. As you were...

Family court. The justice system. Paternity rights.

Yes.