We're going to have to call a halt to Brexit aren't we?

[Hufflepug]

Lukewarm Remain voter here. Understand that the Government has to listen to 'the will of the people' and all that.

But for the love of God, now that it's clear what absolute economic suicide we're committing surely we've got to put a halt to it whilst the govt and the opposition work out what the fuck's going on!

AIBU

This is so pathetic. No, Brexit will not be called to a halt. No, there will not be a second referendum. We will leave the EU. Time to get over the whining.

It's going to be hideous. I just applied for new ehic cards and thought 'these will be void in 2 years'. Leavers didn't even think of things like reciprocal healthcare. In Europe it's all going to be insurance claims as of Brexit, not take your card to the nearest walk-in & come out with anti-biopics 30 mins later.

I am tolerant of many different views- if they have some sort of thought and fact about it.

My salary effectively dropped 15% in one day because of the vote and the corresponding pound value drop. So yeah i have suffered directly thanks. But its ok because immigrants and 350m a week for the nhs

This is so pathetic. No, Brexit will not be called to a halt. No, there will not be a second referendum. We will leave the EU. Time to get over the whining

Ah Brexiteer bingo. Unable to distirngnuish between "economic concern" and "whining".

The referendum was absolutely binding because Parliament said it was. Cameron also said it was

That's not how legalities work. The referendum is not legally binding because the legals around it explicitly stated it wasn't.

*distinguish. Excuse the typing

I think there are two types of brexiters.

One who admit they were marks and want to overturn the ridiculous decision they made

Those still with their heads in the sand just repeating it will all be good in the end.

Ignorance is bliss

Ijustwant
I voted remain but your remarks are part of the reason people voted leave. The remain campaign had too many people who were smug SE focused who portrayed anyone who voted leave as thick or bigoted.

Ask yourself why much of the old industrial heartlands voted leave.

I voted remain but your remarks are part of the reason people voted leave. The remain campaign had too many people who were smug SE focused who portrayed anyone who voted leave as thick or bigoted.

This is absolutely true.

However, it's incredibly frustrating dealing with people who decided, despite no actual evidence, to blame the EU for any adverse circumstances they found themselves in, rather than assess the very complex global and government shifts that have lead to the decline in the industrial heartlands.

Who failed to understand or get to grips with economic implications of leaving and how it would effect them. Despite those who had that knowledge telling them so. Mostly because they didn't want to hear it.

So yes, remainers exacerbated the problem by calling brexiteers idiots, they should have been smarter in their attempts to persuade them. But at the same time I understand the frustration.

Most of all though, I blame Cameron. This is not the kind of question that should ever have gone to the electorate and particularly not in the half assed, barely thought through, ill defined terms he took it to them.

The man is a prize moron and we'll be suffering for his arrogance and stupidity for a long while to come.

I really don't know what to think anymore!!!

I don't have confidence that anyone knows what they are doing.

I voted remain and think it was absolutely sheer stupidity to have the vote in the 1st place. I'm an educated person and it was way beyond my comprehension to understand the consequences of Leaving the EU.

And then there was the ones who voted Leave as a protest vote against the UK govt and now have the cheek to complain or say they didn't think Leave would win.

But I go from feeling positive a few months ago to be anything but now.

I don't have any faith in our government at all. But I also don't have any faith in the opposition which is worrying as I think more than ever we need a strong opposition and also for all parties to work together.

I also have no faith in the EU though. I wasn't impressed with them before the vote (as a remain voter) and even less so now. I just really hope that long term we get back to a reasonable place.

I'm also not convinced in the long term future of the EU as I think the far right will continue to make in roads in and the amount of migrants who have came to Europe in the last few years are going to cause serious issues in the future (I'm not at all anti immigration but do not believe the scale in the last few years has been healthy at all).

So perhaps in the long run it's best to get out 1st.

I'm conflicted lol

I think it's all because of the Internet Expert Syndrome.

Everybody thinks they won't need experts because they can google. So as a result expert opinion is dismissed as scaremongering.

Also the endless TV reality voting. it dumbs voting down.
So we end up with ridiculous results in real voting situation.

I voted remain and think it was absolutely sheer stupidity to have the vote in the 1st place. I'm an educated person and it was way beyond my comprehension to understand the consequences of Leaving the EU.

Lucky I'm with you 100% on this. I also voted Remain, and was very, very hopeful that we would vote to stay in the EU.

That said, the intricacies of the arguments put forward about staying and leaving were something that I struggled to fully understand. I still think that both the Remain and Leave sides should have been much more transparent about their arguments.

*I voted remain but your remarks are part of the reason people voted leave. The remain campaign had too many people who were smug SE focused who portrayed anyone who voted leave as thick or bigoted.

Ask yourself why much of the old industrial heartlands voted leave.*

Well there has been a huge increase in racehate crimes since the vote, I know not all all but all racists did vote to leave.

The people from the industrial heartlands voted to exit as they were told to blame their problems on other people and they swallowed the pill like smarties.

It's truely a mess that will last for generations and many people's futures are being stolen.

The brexit bulldog seems more inept than anything I've ever seen from the EU.

EVEN IF Parliament wanted to call a halt there is nobody there with the ability, or courage, to do it.

Whether a leaver or remainer, surely nobody is pleased with the way it's being handled? In fact, those who truly believe we have a better future outside the EU must be most appalled at the utter shit show currently being played out in their name?

Matthew Parris wrote in the Times this weekend of his shame at being a Tory; for causing the situation in the first place and for fucking up at every step since.

The Conservatives are criminally incompetent

Ask yourself why much of the old industrial heartlands voted leave.

But then ask yourself, how much was to do with lack of investment, starting with Thatcher, and continuing with Cameron and now May.
Then ask yourself how much the EU is to blame for all of this.

Questions which the Tory party can't ask.

The thing is, if you voted to leave because you felt that people outside a group you identified with saw you as stupid, and those people wanted to remain so you decided to vote leave to piss them off, then you are fucking stupid. All this "attitudes like those are why people voted leave" just makes me . People voted leave because they didn't like feeling that others saw them as stupid? Well. I wonder why people saw them that way, eh?

Perigrina
I don't disagree over the lack of investment. My view is that the traditional WC areas feel totally ignored and abandoned so we're fertile ground for UKIP. Politics needs to look beyond Westminster and the SE and Remain failed to do that.

were not we're

Chaz - yes, I would have to agree. Even this stuff about a 'Northern Power House' won't mean much to people in e.g. Newcastle and Carlisle and points north because Manchester and Liverpool are almost in the South as far as they are concerned.

Well, well, what a surprise. Cornwall, which voted overwhelmingly for Brexit, has asked for an assurance that a full replacement for EU funding will be guaranteed. And what answer do we think it has received? Why, that would be a No.

And Boris et al told us to ignore forecasts that this would happen, it was all Project Fear, apparently.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cornwall-lose-eu-funding-uk-government-replace-brexit-latest-dclg-request-down-julian-german-a7603921.html

But then ask yourself, how much was to do with lack of investment, starting with Thatcher, and continuing with Cameron and now May.
Then ask yourself how much the EU is to blame for all of this.

I think you've forgotten a couple of prime ministers, Blair and Brown, who also did bugger all for the old industrial heartlandsand just concentrated on London and SE. They were no better than the Tories.

Why can't remainers understand that leavers voted to leave for better reasons than those outlined by alltouch?

In my very rural area immigration was never an issue. The overriding issues here are fishing and farming policies. How many remainers are directly affected in their day to day working lives like my neighbours I wonder?

If you look at a map of the referendum results you will see it was not just in the old industrial heartlands that brexit prevailed but in the coastal and rural communities. Towns and cities built on the fishing industry so poorly served by Brussells watching a fishing industry collapse about them. With the knock on effect of high unemployment and degeneration of communities.

Farmers who are 5th generation working the same land being told what to grow and how much. How straight their hedges should be and what vetinary medicine they might use on their livestock. Year on year more red tape more EU directives. Their job becoming more paperwork than farming.

Nobody ever listened to these people. Took on board their concerns. Tried to understand their problems. Then, at last, the chance to throw off the shackles and return their industries to the properous thriving businesses that they had been and could be again.

Fishermen don't need the EU to teach them about overfishing and conservation. They work the seas. They have understood about breeding grounds and stock conservation since the stone age. Farmers don't need the EU to teach them how to work their land. They don't need to be taught animal husbandary. The UK produces some of the best quality meat in the world and has done for hundreds of years.

The remainers disregarded all these people and the people of the industrial heartlands because they didn't think they were important. Thought they wouldn't bother to vote. Thought they wouldn't be interested. They have paid the price for years of failing to connect and engage with those outside the S.E.

Face it. It will happen. Deal with it.