We're going to have to call a halt to Brexit aren't we?

[Hufflepug]

Lukewarm Remain voter here. Understand that the Government has to listen to 'the will of the people' and all that.

But for the love of God, now that it's clear what absolute economic suicide we're committing surely we've got to put a halt to it whilst the govt and the opposition work out what the fuck's going on!

AIBU

Aside from Mumsnet I rarely hear Brexit mentioned on TV or in newspapers. The country is moving on. On maybe its a MSM conspiracy?
Actually the last thing I heard was the Spanish minster saying Gibraltar wont be a pawn in Brexit. Seems the negotiators are getting on with their job.

I completely agree with this. I see Brexit mentioned here and on a Politics forum I use and if you went by those, the country is in a melt down and dividied and split beyond repair. The actual reality is pretty much nobody cares. Most people didn't even vote!

Really? I see it in the broadsheets I read everyday, everyday discussed on the news on radio 4, on the BBC, twitter, on fb.
What on earth do you read/listen to where brexit is not mentioned?

What happened was that farming and fishing communities lost their minds Yea, that happened, they all went insane.

MissionItsPossible
I was asked what I thought would happen with no deal.
Would be interested to see what you think, as this was just my personal thoughts.

Mummy2017, wrt record profits this year - you do realize that Brexit has not yet happened, right?

And you also realise that the fact that planes take off in one place, fly over several others, and land in another place is thanks to international agreements and not just hotel operators ringing up the airports to tell them to let more planes in - right?

The dismissal of 'detail' or 'intricacies' by brexiteers is remarkable. Yeah, someone will take care of it all, some politician or cs, we don't care who or how - As long as we're out at any cost.

It's a truly fascinating mind-set.

I imagine there are FB and twittter echo chambers in a feedback loop that amplify the Brexit melt down to apocalyptic levels but back in the real world ... just watched the 7 O'Clock news headlines on BBC, Brexit not mentioned once. ho hum. Will try a different channel.

Tourism is a massive part of the income for may EU countries, there are several Spanish Island that have no industry other than holiday makers. Infact the newspapers reported on this today.

Yes, we obviously should because more and more detail has come out about how bad it is for the economy and for other essential national interests like availability of medicines, nuclear safety, and NHS staffing.

A few points for Leavers to note, which they may not have appreciated when they voted:

1. Govt has confirmed there is not going to be any £350m a week for the NHS.

1. all trade deals of any country involve ceding court jurisdiction over disputes to a neutral third party such as the ECJ. The only country that does not cede such jurisdiction to one neutral tribunal or another is North Korea, because it doesn't trade with anyone. Similar jurisdiction is required for a lot of international cooperation, including on Nuclear matters, scientific research collaboration and medicine development.

1. More than 50% of our immigration is from non-EU countries. There are no EU rules stopping us from allowing immigration from non-Eu countries, so why the hell is it higher than EU immigration with no apparent ability from the Govt to stop it? And why oh why do you think leaving the EU will make a difference to that?

1. EU is protectionist. What that means is that your job is protected, because you only have to compete with the health and safety and employment protections of other EU states, which are all harmonised under EU law. Other countries which pay less, have no health and safety rules, and no holiday/sick pay etc, get punished by having tariffs on their goods entering the EU. If we leave the EU, unless you are highly skilled and in demand (doctor, lawyer, accountant) you will be competing directly against people doing the same job as you in countries where they live in extreme poverty. Enjoy yourself with that one.

1. Signing trade agreements with other countries is counterproductive if we still want to trade with the EU. Why? Because where the trade requirements are lowered, we will not be able to benefit from them in our exports, since if we still want to export to the EU (which businesses unanimously do, in fact) we will still have to meet the higher EU standards. So in other words, if we sign a trade deal with the US, they can export lower quality, cheaper goods (eg meat) to us, but we can't do the same. That means that British people will in large numbers choose the US goods and our farmers/producers/manufacturers will be put out of business. GREAT!

The poor start to the negotiations was headline news yesterday. I'm surprised you missed it. Try radio fours the today programme? Or dead ringers.
Of course our politicians are on summer break at the moment but it will start up again in parliament and in the media with new vigor in September.

Trying to find out what is so difficult for planes taking off and landing after Brexit. Seems its all 'scaremongering'.

British Airways’ parent IAG on Friday hit back at Brexit scaremongering over EU access as it shrugged off a bank holiday power failure to notch up soaraway profits.

IAG chief executive Willie Walsh said EU officials would strike an “easy” deal with the UK over airline access because tourist hot spots in places like Spain and Ireland rely on a flood of Brits to survive.

“These are issues which will be relatively easy to address. This is something where there is absolute alignment. The British citizens travelling abroad are a significant element of EU tourism and EU trade. I’m confident this will be dealt with,” he said.

back in the real world

Well, you learn something new every day. I never realised that putting the radio news on whilst having breakfast or driving to work constituted an act of extremist political sedition.

TheElementsSong the thing you wanted some of,,, you took too much...

I suspect a deal over airspace and landing rights etc. will be arranged quite easily.

However, I foresee the UK having to pay money to be part of it, and having to accept jurisdiction from a gasp EU body.

What a win that will be...

Does America have to do this to fly in EU? CardinalSin?

The contention that there was a real problem caused by the EU that only Brexit could cure rings untrue. What happened was that farming and fishing communities lost their minds, forgot how FOM brought farmhands to work the land, forgot about the subsidies, and got swept away by rhetoric that was heavy on patriotism and nostalgia, and carefully chosen buzzwords that were generated by the research of the likes of Cambridge Analytics

The farmers and fishing communities of Britain were suckers. Not those of NI.

Mathanxiety - I can't quite work out if that was a serious post.

I hadn't heard that British farmers and fisherman suddenly went down with a serious bout of amnesia on June 23rd forgetting all that was good about the EU? Could it have been something in the fertiliser perhaps?. Who would have thought that possible, what a bunch of suckers eh😮

The chance to cherry pick the best bits. That was never on the cards.
Far from it - that was exactly what BoJo wanted. Daniel Hannan too was singing the praises of Norway's arrangement, as prior to the Referendum was Farage. They've all gone a bit quiet since, now that the details actually need to be worked out.

Tourism is a massive part of the income for may EU countries, there are several Spanish Island that have no industry other than holiday makers.
Yes, but there are also huge numbers of Germans who go to Spain, plus obviously fewer Dutch and Danes, and now that Eastern Europe has opened up, more from there too. So I dare say some places will suffer, but it may be a trade off because it will also mean fewer lager louts.

Mummy

2. all trade deals of any country involve ceding court jurisdiction over disputes to a neutral third party such as the ECJ The ECJ is not a neutral third party, clue is in the name, The EUROPEAN court... I think most people would be happy to have a 'neutral' third part regulate an EU /UK trade deal.

3. More than 50% of our immigration is from non-EU countries. There are no EU rules stopping us from allowing immigration from non-Eu countries, so why the hell is it higher than EU immigration with no apparent ability from the Govt to stop it? And why oh why do you think leaving the EU will make a difference to that? Because we get the choice who comes into the UK from the rest of the world and after Brexit we will get to choose who comes here from the EU. That's what will change. If we want to (or not) limit low skilled immigration from the EU we will be able to do that.

4. EU is protectionist And it 'protects' us from making our own free trade deals with other countries.

5. Signing trade agreements with other countries is counterproductive...That means that British people will in large numbers choose the US goods... Yeah having choice and free will is a bitch.

So Sorry for you CardinalSin, but if trying to insult me makes you feel better about yourself go ahead...

I hadn't heard that British farmers and fisherman suddenly went down with a serious bout of amnesia on June 23rd forgetting all that was good about the EU?

No but since then I have heard them talking about food rotting in the fields because the foreign workers aren't coming in the same numbers. For two reasons - the decline in value of the pound, and the xenophobia which has been unleashed which makes them feel unwelcome.

On a similar note - Martin of Wetherspoon's was whining about needing exceptions made for his business. Yes, the man who had 50,000 beer mats printed telling people to vote Leave. What he should be doing is working out his plans to recruit and train British staff.
Ditto James Dyson, who has done extremely well from farm subsidies from the EU is also whinging about losing them. Why?

Oh and the other day Gove told us that the Danes would be able to fish in our waters - although admittedly he was a bit unclear about where they were, knowing about a 200 nautical mile limit, but suddenly remembering that France is only 20 miles away, and totally forgetting a country on the other side, Ireland.

trying to insult me

Whaaaaaaat? What did Cardinal say that was insulting?

Why would the ECJ have to control a UK/EU open skies agreement? You can bet they don't control the EU/US agreement.