We're going to have to call a halt to Brexit aren't we?

[Hufflepug]

Lukewarm Remain voter here. Understand that the Government has to listen to 'the will of the people' and all that.

But for the love of God, now that it's clear what absolute economic suicide we're committing surely we've got to put a halt to it whilst the govt and the opposition work out what the fuck's going on!

AIBU

mummy You're really not coming across as very bright. How do you know that any of us didn't vote or engage with the process?
I agree that there was complacency on the part of the Remain campaign but they were up against downright lies and everyone yelling 'Project Fear!' if they spoke about the potential disadvantages of leaving.
It's not nearly as sexy trying to make the case for the status quo as promising the land of milk and honey. Everyone knows that the EU has faults.
The Leave campaign just promised people the earth. The irony is that I doubt they would have won without man of the people Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson who almost certainly didn't believe that Leave would win and has frequently written/spoken about what a disaster leaving would've but came on board as he thought it would help his bid to become PM. You only have to look at his and Gove's faces at the press conference the next morning. They looked like 2 terrified schoolboys.

*sorry I forgot to add the rest of my post because of my bemusement at your insane posts.

Of course I turned up and voted, of course I did what I could. But you can't fight with crazy or a side that just lies to get what it wants.

"I'll have what she's having"

As Turkeys we were supposed to vote to stay.
Project fear, was the REMAINS baby.. you got the wrong side.
but when it comes down to it I am sat here happy as we are out, rant all you like, call me stupid, it is water of a ducks back.
I am having an end to the EU's demands for Billions, here have some.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/nov/07/david-cameron-exit-warning-eu-reform

Do you rememeber this....
He then dressed a T&&d up in a dress and called it a win.

I am having an end to the EU's demands for Billions, here have some.

Come again?

The Remain campaign could have tried harder. Leave had their arguments for leaving, Remain had... well, Bob Geldof swearing at people, President Obama threatening we'd be at the back of the queue and David and George spouting about Project Fear.

Complacency is why Leave edged it. Remain HAD to have a stronger argument because every single person that disliked the EU was going to vote in this referendum no matter what. Remain was the status quo and apart from a select few, nobody would be really for the EU or loving it. Most people who voted Remain did so (I believe) either because they didn't want things to change or were scared at what would happen if we did Leave. There was no Pro-EU argument made in the campaign. In fact, it was pretty arrogant of David Cameron not to even consider that.

So any advance on this from upthread? Apart from "I BELIEVE" and "IT'S SOMEBODY ELSE'S FAULT", that is.

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Thing I don't understand about Brexit. Govt says we're leaving the EU, single market, free movement area etc in April 2019. 20 months away.

But if that's happening, why isn't Dover a big building site? We will need to massively increase customs capacity to check stuff in & out.
We will (at least) need to have increased border checks in Northern Ireland. So why aren't the government buying up sites along the border?

We will need new agencies up and running on April 1 2019 for air safety, maritime safety, chemicals, medicines, disease prevention etc.
So where are the buildings being built, bought or leased for these new agencies? Where are the job advertisements for these new agencies?

And so on. All the stuff that should be happening if we're leaving the EU in 2019 isn't actually happening. There are two possible reasons.
1) Our government is incompetent or 2) They don't expect us to leave the EU in 2019 cos they hope an excuse to delay/cancel will turn up.

The mystery is why all the 'Brexiteers' aren't kicking up a fuss about this. Surely they should be asking why this stuff isn't happening?

Actually I do think that the Brexit vote is largely the fault of the Remain campaign.

I think that people, especially in poorer areas which are typically where migrants will go (because land/rent is cheaper) have been dealing with overstretched services, struggling schools and neighbourhoods that have shifted dramatically and all the issues that integration brings with it. And this has been going on for a long time.

These people have been trying to have a conversation about the issues that migration brings for years. The response has been "well you must all be racist cunts then". This is deeply unfair- I'm not against immigration, but migrant and transitory populations DO cause social issues. Integration takes time, services get stretched. These issues were never satisfactorily addressed.

The remain campaign continued this. They were so complacent and so assured that they would win they called anyone who challenged the issue of migration (not that Brexit and migration are the same thing, but that's how it was presented) a racist.

If you keep calling people racist rather than have real discussions about population change and movement, and yes, they will eventually get fucked off with the lack of engagement and get fucked off with being called racist. And they will eventually vote Brexit because "fuck you guys who called me racist".

I was appalled at how arrogant the Remain campaign was, I seem to recall the Guardian in particular. One doesn't have to look far- even on this thread it was referenced that the vote was decided by "thickos" and "daily mail readers".

I think that level of contempt is the reason that the Remain campaign lost. I think that when one dismisses people based on ones own ideology a whole group of 'other' is created who will, very naturally, do the opposite of what you want, precisely because you want it, because they were dismissed as "thickos" and DM readers.

I am having an end to the EU's demands for Billions, here have some.

Do you even know what you're trying to say?

ClamBakeSnake, oh yes I know what I am saying.

Being spoken to as if I am on something just because I am glad we are leaving having to pay into the EU Budget each year.
This is a bloated unsustainable expense, which Germany who lead most of the EU along with France will now have to pay for.
Or do you not agree the Budget is for Billions each year.

The building docks etc I had never thought about it but it's true, do we have the infrastructure?

And mummy, I believe there are brexiteers with well thought out arguments. I just don't believe you're one of them.

And mummy do you understand quite how much of this money comes back to us?

I have looked at both side of this before I voted.
I have watched for decades the way EU has changed from just for trade, to we want an Army, we want you to do this, do that. Last straw was for the use the Euro to be used by Everyone.
I can honestly say I was Shocked beyond measure when David C said we would have a vote and put it in the manifesto, how could he be that stupid, what on earth was he on when he did that.
Yes it's true, it was the most OMG thing I can remember for a long time.
Way before Boris joined, and I am a true blue Conservative, always voted this way, most people I know wanted out, saw a way to rescue the UK from themselves, knowing it would not be wanted, but I really do think one day people will realize the EU is not the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.

I personally don't believe 'Brexit' is even really possible
If that is true then is the EU, a dictatorship? That is one reason some people voted leave. The EU does seem to be turning into an undemocratic superstate.

Of course it can be stopped

Irrelevant most people don't want it stopped, ... Remain parties lost votes at the election.

The mystery is why all the 'Brexiteers' aren't kicking up a fuss about this. Surely they should be asking why this stuff isn't happening?
The mystery is why 'Remoaners' are kicking up such a fuss about this, it will all get sorted out in the rinse, who cares about the details.

He didn't even bother with a 'what if I lose' strategy
... like A50, negotiating Brexit and leaving the EU?

YOUR LOT WON BY LYING.
That comment is applicable to every party in every election/referendum ever. Anyone fancy having their student debt canceled dealt with?

No one pulled their finger out to put together a strong remain campaign
Or maybe there was very little positive to say about the EU.

all the remainers could have gone out and made sure that people voted
People did get out to vote, more people than I can ever remember.

The building docks etc I had never thought about it but it's true, do we have the infrastructure?

Why do we need to build more docks? Most customs are done electronically before the ships even enter the docks. Why would this change?

The mystery is why all the 'Brexiteers' aren't kicking up a fuss about this. Surely they should be asking why this stuff isn't happening?
The mystery is why 'Remoaners' are kicking up such a fuss about this, it will all get sorted out in the rinse, who cares about the details.

That really just about sums up the Leave campaign? Who cares about the details?!!
FFS

The mystery is why 'Remoaners' are kicking up such a fuss about this, it will all get sorted out in the rinse, who cares about the details.

I think this is pretty much what those 'negotiating' Brexit for the UK think, which is why we're fucked.

it will all get sorted out in the rinse, who cares about the details

Oh-kayyyy

I wonder if this was how the Moon landings were organised (remember, that famous Remoaner David Davis was saying how he's just discovered that Brexit is as complicated as the Moon landings).

I have a tested a certified IQ OF 138, Which allowed me to become a member of MENSA, so I am in the top 10% of the country.
I also tend to look at things from all sided, before I decide, I wanted out of the EU at any cost, knowing that we will recover no matter what happens.

Based on the way the vote went, rather a lot of people agree with me on this, and the newspapers say people who voted to leave still feel this way.