To be enraged there is no outcry over the scale of violence against women and girls?

[NoLoveofMine]

Just a handful of the girls and women attacked and in some cases murdered by men unknown to them for no other reason than their sex in the UK in the last few months alone:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-40529081
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jun/27/man-arrested-in-manchester-over-alleged-of-four-year-old-girl
www.itv.com/news/london/2017-04-24/e-fit-appeal-after-12-year-old-girl-sexually-assaulted-in-swimming-pool/
www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/15339336.Mother_speaks_out_about_sex_attacker_who_assaulted_her__brave__daughter_after_getting_off_Twickenham_bus/?ref=mrb&lp=14
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/28/man-who-raped-stranger-hours-before-his-wedding-given-life-term
www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/15280636.VIDEO___Dangerous__rapist_jailed_for_life___but_are_there_more_victims_/
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-40345133
www.itv.com/news/anglia/update/2017-02-28/police-outraged-by-rape-attack-in-ipswich/
www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/rape-sex-attack-manchester-manhunt-13236465
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-39377626
amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/12/vadims-ruskuls-jailed-murder-pardeep-kaur-hotel-worker-m4
www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/police-step-up-patrols-after-15yearold-girl-sexually-assaulted-in-twickenham-a3592681.html
www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/chiswick-assault-woman-19-shoved-to-ground-and-repeatedly-punched-in-random-attack-a3429646.html

Just a small number of those I can remember off hand (which actually made any news) from the last 10 months alone. Then, to compound them all, there was this:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-40763620

Pretty much all of these made only small local news. I just do not understand how people can't see the scale of this and how people can't fear for their daughters.

There is an out cry in the circles I move in, cos it's close to my heart, having been sexually abused throughout my childhood and into early adult hood. Having been a victim of attacks by multiple men, I know what men are capable.of so none of those links surprise or shock me. They do have deeply hurt and sicken me, because I can't understand why no one is listening to us. Those in charge don't see these assaults as hate crimes. We are targeted for being female, how is that not a hate crime.

I'm sick of the media portraying the perpetrators as monsters. They are not monsters, they are men. Ordinary looking and acting men.

I could go on all day because I live this every day. It warms my heart when other women make posts like these, helps people like me feel less like we are fighting this war alone.

No OP, every point in starting this thread, we should keep voicing our concerns, and loudly. Just feels like it all falls on deaf ears sometimes. Have to agree with a pp, women need to learn self defence because male violence isn't going anywhere. Krav Manga is meant to be very good, once you get to a certain level you're taught how to defend against multiple attackers. I did self defence and kick boxing when I was younger and I definitely felt more confident walking alone.

And you are right Chip. It is a war. A war of attrition.
A campaign is urgently needed to insist on re-labelling these sickening acts of violence and intimidation as hate crimes. A test case may be one way forward?

I concur Chipsahoy and I'm very sorry to hear of your experiences. Like you, it certainly heartens me when I see others noticing the prevalence of these hate crimes against women and girls.

LowGravity indeed; I'm planning to start learning some form of self-defence soon, I think it'll be good for confidence as well.

And WHO are the attackers? Shall we talk about the men now?

98% of perpetrators of sexual violence are men & boys. Isn't that so?

Chip

I'm sick of being told that we can't talk about violence to women. And they want us to share hospital wards, locker rooms, refuges with men who can just say that they are a woman that day? I don't want to make this a trans thread but it's a full on risk to women and girls and our concerns are being poo-pooed. I am getting increasingly furious about it

They are not hate crimes because hate crimes against women don't exist. In practice.

Also the sheer scale of it. It is everywhere. If you want to be really sickened, head over to Feminist Chat and click on the thread called "pelvic exams on unconsenting women". In the not too distant past, on the NHS, medical students and trainees were allowed to "practice" on women under general anaesthetic, who hadn't been asked. Some of the links describe lines of medical students, going up one after another to assault the unconscious woman. There is one poster, a patient, who describes waking up in severe pain because so many people had been allowed to "practice" on her.

I mean, whilst she was in fucking hospital, having surgery. The one place you ought to expect to be safe. And although this practice is not allowed now, how many people who are still practising now were trained this way?

It is a rape culture and ALL aspects of society are complicit from the man lurking in an alley to passersby to the police to the judge and even maybe your GP if you're unlucky. And that OP is why there is no outcry.

Fucking handmaid

As a mother I worry equally for all my children. My girls are not born victims, but my boys are not safe. You are being utterly ridiculous.

Seriously Cod you need to take a long hard look at yourself

98% of perpetrators of sexual violence are men & boys. Isn't that so?

There is no way of really knowing as a higher proportion of sexual assaults against men are not reported to the police, so cannot make the statistics.

I think part of the bigger issue is the lack of charging people with the crime and the pathetic sentences which keep getting halved when actually being carried out.

Why is it you can never discuss the abhorrent violence against women without someone always saying dont forget about the men!!

Just for once can we focus on the violence against women?!?! We can't even have that.

I fear for my daughter's growing up in today's society.

Cod I shouldn't have sworn at you. That wasn't on. But if you really honestly think your son is at much at risk as your daughter you are deluded. Your little girl is way more likely to be assaulted or attacked because of her sex.

Boys have sex specific risks like suicide and no one is downplaying that. But this is not a thread about that and yes you are a handmaid in the sense that you are supporting patriarchal power structures if you want to believe that men and women are equally at risk of being raped.

YANBU
In some circles it seems there's an outcry about male violence, but only when it's asian men for some reason
If I ever mention the issue of male pattern violence I'm called a man hater and get the usual "NAMALT" tripe.

I am not on social media apart form mumsnet

Are people on here seriously telling me that the child is being criticised and blamed for the attacks?

See there is where we have part of our our problem, those men that rape or think about it or who have no concept of consent are being given outright permission to continue or to start by comments like that

They think that those figures of seriously warped fuckwits who are victim blaming can be extrapolated out to most of our society ...and i dont think they are wrong

i am not sure how it can be changed

The main problem is the men who do these things obviously. If they can be caught a decent fucking sentence would help.

Okay, how about a campain encouraging more women and girls to report? If the police suddenly had to deal with 85% more sexual assaults, they would have to sit up and take notice

I think we have to look at why so few report. There's lots of interesting articles on this. Common reasons include not being believed, shame, guilt, fear. Not to mention the entire process of reporting and examinations being deeply traumatic for many. There are also large numbers of young women who are simply not aware what constitutes sexual assault and often blame theirselves. And of course the ridiculously low conviction rates.

thejusticegap.com/2015/11/women-experience-disbelief-as-only-12-of-reported-rapes-result-in-charges/

I would ideally like to see a prolific and sustained TV campaign against male violence, along with much harsher sentences. And yes, it should be re-categorised as a hate crime, which lets face it probably results in harsher sentencing because as ever women are the least protected group.

As a mother I worry equally for all my children. My girls are not born victims, but my boys are not safe. You are being utterly ridiculous.

I'm a mum of boys and I'm always calling for equality on threads, but this thread is about sexual violence, it's a crime committed in the main by men to women, this is an issue that is being largely ignored.
Let's concentrate on reducing the assaults on women to somewhere in lines with those committed against men first.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2986731-Pelvic-Exams-on-unconsenting-anaesthetised-women

Just read this. Read this and see how widespread. This isn't just dodgy blokes in beat up Fiestas grabbing unsuspecting damsels. It's fucking everywhere and a refusal to see that makes you part of the problem.

low

Exactly

Same thing goes for my post

Women sees the comments about this latest case and is put off reporting

Making comments like that on twitte etc should be a criminal act

That probably cant happen

Felicity that's also true regarding some only being outraged when they can try to claim it's a racial issue, when in reality it's women and girls of all races being attacked by men of all races simply for being female. It's ridiculous many are labelled "man hating" for making the point that this is male violence against women and girls, as if we have to qualify it with the obvious "not all men" each time. Thankfully I do talk about it with my male relatives and friends and they are receptive to listening.

Are people on here seriously telling me that the child is being criticised and blamed for the attacks?

There were comments asking why she was out at 2am in the morning, and what she had been up too. Alluding to the 'type' of person she was. Rather then blaming the male for the rape, they blamed the child for being in the situation in the first place.

"It's fucking everywhere and a refusal to see that makes you part of the problem."

This^.

I agree that porn has had an impact on the way women are viewed and how many men treat women

On another thread many are laughing off cock pictures from potential dates but this shouldn't be laughed off then men who send them have no respect for the women they send them to as people and yes I do believe it's low level sexual harassment but this is where for sex offenders it starts. that is not saying that all those men will move on to become sex offenders but why are we laughing at women being disrespected so casually the joke isn't turned around in them by making a smart remark because it isn't a joke it's about respect and control

We have to teach young about respect and empowerment this is how things will change but while we still giggle at low level harassment how will it change

Not all men are rapists
but all rapists are men.
and as I grow up old I increasingly think that I do actually hate men as a group because of the terrible things so may of them do and so many others sanction.

"It's fucking everywhere and a refusal to see that makes you part of the problem."
Yes, this