Thread #6 The CFN look out upon Castle Doom and despair

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Thanks C8 for thread title!

We're on #6 folks.

Bouncy castle delivery happening tomorrow.

If the window ever was a fire escape (highly unlikely) then right of way through OP's garden must be mentioned on her Lease/ Freehold.

You really don't need an official right of way before being allowed to escape from a fire. The issue is not whether this is an official fire escape, it's whether it might be a de facto one - i.e. something offering the only escape route in the event the rest of the flat was on fire.

Everything I think Marilyn! Nicely put.

Thank goodness for that. You go out for one day and suddenly it's up to thread 6. And I can't read quick enough to ever catch up.
This must be so stressful wattyyy I fear much legal wrangling may ensue. Hopefully the songs etc from judas and queenie et al will help you cope

Ceto the official stop notice from the planners was put through the letterbox days ago. Last night OP put her own letter through the letterbox.

The builders, or AN Other, have been back since the official stop notice was posted and they have dropped off another set of patio doors.

I'm in Edinburgh

Still struggling to believe this is not just an incredible screw up on their part, not sure how the coming back would fit in with that theory though. I guess I just would rather believe people are stupid than bad.

I'm just posting to tell @spookle (? Can someone correct if wrong?) that her account of the raspberry ice cream on thread 34156 had me howling, especially the shortbread bit

Is it possible that they put the doors in for extra light into their room, without actually intending to use them to access the garden...?

Crap.

1. Big ol' windows would have done the same thing, without encroaching on OP's garden where they have no right to be
2. They're not allowed to do ANYTHING, door, windows, or Burger King drivethru. The building is listed.

In conclusion: it doesn't matter what they intended, they're breaking the law.

Talking - Thank you for the raspberry liqueur I will pour it over my ice cream

Shakey

But people, good citizens of Mumsnet, CFN have not (yet) ignored the notice or the note. No further work has taken place!!! At worst a delivery (of doors) but that would not transgress the stop notice. They could be for inside the flat, between rooms or something.

And do we know if CFN have been living there at all? Could be new purchasers living elsewhere and having their dastardly CF work done from afar!

Username MrsTrellis is already in use

It has taken me days to catch up. I've been reading a few pages at a time. Can't believe how quickly it moves on. Please don't start a new thread without a link....thought I was lost.
Hope OP is ok as not back yet. Just remember you have to live with these people as your neighbours. Upsetting them may not be the best idea. At least by phoning planning they won't know who actually called them.

My Lab's face when I regaled her of this saga...

That's a stunning lab.

Maybe the cfn's are blissfully unaware. They could be gone for a week somewhere none the wiser. I think if they had been told by the builder, they would be around asap or maybe they will wait until tomorrow to show face when they think it would be more likely watty could be out

Could the builders also be the owners? I know NSK spotted a Chinese lady but maybe she's not connected.

for anyone worried about the window / fire escape.......its not the only one in the flat! its a ground floor flat, with its own front door and windows out to the outside world, what was a nice sash window was only that, a window, looking out on to a private walled garden.

Just as an aside thought, if its a developer doing the renovations in double quick time to either sell on quickly or as a rental to get a tenant in as soon as possible, it may already be advertised with an agent.

Cannot wait for OP to comment on the Trello board!

Awwwwwwww that's one stunning Pup there TattyCat

Yeah I realise all that - lol @ Burger king

But surely when they viewed the flat the agent must have told them
And it would have come up in searches etc

It just beggars belief that people would think oh fuck it I'm going to claim my ndns garden as my own

wow i dont read for a day and were now upto thread 6!!

Do you know OP, Laine? Are you the Gorilla-tape wielding friend?

To clarify: my post upthread was in defence of OP and this thread's brilliant posters, after certain accusations of us all exhibiting immaturity/ lack of judgement/ endangerment of OP...

(As for deeming us "overinvested"...WHAAAT? We're only on Thread no6; we're still merely warming up, FFS )

I suppose it's theoretically possible that an overseas buyer may not have realised what 'listed' status actually meant...

In my work I've come across very wealthy people who have a shockingly negligent approach to reading the legals.

It's a stretch mind.

All those saying the doors are not a fire escape, and the window wasn't either, I assume were you in the flat with flames flickering around your feet would have looked at the old lovely window or the new horrible door and thought, "no, no, not an option, property laws and planning say so, so I think I'll just stand my ground and burn quietly, certainly don't want to trespass or have to possibly climb a 6 foot fence to survive.... oh no, too much trouble that is!"

FWIW I think it's a bit pedantic to be worrying about a fire, but the utter stupidity of some of the reasons for saying the existing door is not an escape route is in the unlikely event of a fire is truly amazing.

As you were.