Thread #6 The CFN look out upon Castle Doom and despair

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Thanks C8 for thread title!

We're on #6 folks.

Bouncy castle delivery happening tomorrow.

Queenie, what a great anthem! That will surely be the finale for Garden Thieves: The Musical.

I don't think the potential use of the kitchen window as a fire exit matters. It leads into a totally enclosed garden, so doesn't really make for an effective escape.

Another from Switzerland here - Sunny and warm

Off to south of France tomorrow - checked we have wifi so I can keep up to date on what's happening

The clean hands thing only applies in equity in English law, e.g. if OP were aiming to get an injunction. It's true to say that if they sued OP would have a counterclaim, but who needs that sort of grief? Cable ties are the way to go.

Dunno gorilla tape is pretty hard to get off isn't it?

WD40 is your friend.

I don't get the concern with the tape. The doors are installed - they can hardly return the as new, and it's not nailing them shut. She's a woman living alone whose neighbours have illegally built access to her private garden who doesn't have a large fence to put in front but is concerned about her safety and property. Tape seems very reasonable.

Come off it, Lakie, if the flat were on fire such that that window is the only exit, of course the enclosed garden is an effective escape from being burned to death.

Surely the fact it's an enclosed garden won't worry CFN. They can just put a few more doors in and get their way out again...

Waving frantically from Korea

Oh wait

No I'm in Wales

Sorry for any trello inconvenience

I don't think the potential use of the kitchen window as a fire exit matters. It leads into a totally enclosed garden, so doesn't really make for an effective escape.

Except that it's not a totally enclosed garden. The OP's French doors provide a potential escape route. It's not appropriate (I don't think) to speculate about the usefulness or otherwise of a window in case of fire. Let's just agree that the tape needs to come off when the builders and/or neighbours return.

Excellent work Queenie

@C8H10N4O2 Is Isle of Man a country in its own right? Or is it a county/province/sub-whatever under the umbrella of the UK? I looked on Wiki but I didn't really understand lol.

Went to a national trust place yesterday and came upon a small courtyard garden, it was very useful in describing the cheeky fuckery to DH and our friend.
DD aged 9 wanted to know what CFN stood for so DH had to improvise with a child friendly version!

I think you need to make it clear to them that they will NEVER be given access to your private garden, i feel they are Concentrating on the planning aspect and think they will be able to get round that and be allowed the doors so you need to make it very clear that that is never going to happen.

MrJollyLivesNextDoor Sun 30-Jul-17 09:55:25
Waving frantically from Korea smile

Oh wait

No I'm in Wales
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Checking in from Switzerland. Am about to go camping for 5 days with no internet, will be in for such a treat when I get back I don't want to go because I need to know what happens

I wouldn't take the tape off personally. The idea that 6 dodgy builders can potentially invade my space at any time would be enough for me. I would feel uncomfortable in that situation and I don't believe it's an unreasonable solution.

gingergenius I agree.

Looking at the photo (had to take the risk of taking my bookmark off as the time line goes funny with it on as for some reason the picture didn't show up last night the early hours of this morning ), it looks to me like the duct tape is on the metal of the protruding into Wattyyyy's garden handles and then against itself. All that is needed to remove it is scissors or a Stanley knife and maybe some WD40/Lakeland Sticky Stuff Remover/hot water and elbow grease. Nothing more damaging than the stickers promoting the CFBs which they've already tried to hide remove.

Spoke to property lawyer friend yesterday about the "Fire Escape" concern: in his view, a window like this was never going to be a defined Fire Exit - especially not into an enclosed courtyard with no other means of escape.

Switzerland here too. Where are you going camping rainbowduck

oh MrJolly you had me all excited about Korea!

@Faithinthesound its a crown dependency so you could probably argue it either way for our purposes. I think the Azores would be a bit similar wrt Portugal. If the list gets too long we could merge them back in (and probably initiate a series of independence referenda ;))

I was following avidly from Portugal, but now back in UK.

The reason I get all pedantic about it is that every other place has their own flag :P I'll put a Portuguese flag next to the Azores, shall I? I managed to find the Isle of Man's own flag (but interestingly no flag for Scotland!)

Good grief! Surely in the event of a fire there's no difference between 'designated official fire exit' and 'window onto the garden'!!

The only reason that wattyyyy is OK to leave the tape on for now is that the flat is currently unoccupied. The minute they arrive back and come round to find out what's happening it needs to come off, regardless of whether the handles are trespassing or not.