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CFN vanished, Spanish grandma, patio doors, I don't know what the hell to call this thread #5

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WhatIsThisWatt · 28/07/2017 23:14

Hello everyone, new thread as requested. hopefully MNHQ could be so kind (as they already have been) to verify that I'm the OP from the original four threads?

Sorry again about the title NO IDEA WHAT IS GOING ON ANYMORE but I will try to keep you all updated. I'll probably not be back till the morning but THANKS for all the support and nice messages Grin

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ASDismynormality · 29/07/2017 18:59

I would also call 101 as they are trespassing. They worst they can say is it's not their problem but I don't think unreasonable to ask.

MyProperTea · 29/07/2017 18:59

They can't check if you have cctv as it could be on a window ledge or hidden anywhere else they can't see.

MargotMoon · 29/07/2017 19:01

I really want to read these threads but the first one won't open! Anyone else having problems with it?

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WhatIsThisWatt · 29/07/2017 19:01

Right how's this:

Hello,

I am writing to inform you that you have been illegally entering my garden. You have installed a set of doors leading out on to my private property which is now under investigation by the local planning authority, and you will also be receiving a letter from my solicitor.
Refrain from entering my garden immediately, otherwise I will have no option but to call the police.

If you need to access my garden for the purposes of returning your side of this listed building to its previous state, please seek permission in writing from my name at flat 3a

Have i missed anything?

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8misskitty8 · 29/07/2017 19:02

Time for a note through their door OP telling the owners that the garden is private property and they are not allowed to go into it, and that includes their builders. No need to tell them that you contacted planning etc. Just make it clear that you do not give permission for them to access your garden.
I'd also stick a note on the patio doors saying the same.

Lazyafternoon · 29/07/2017 19:02

Another thought - can you do the land registry property search thing? Isn't it possible to look up who owns a property on a government website? Then you can google them and find out if they're actually property developers or something?

Venusflytwat · 29/07/2017 19:02

I would be inclined to put a sign up saying it was private land and they would be trespassing. Then set up cctv on the windowsill. And call police whenever you catch them.

Oh and take photos of the new doors through the window- make sure they are waiting in the planner's inbox on Monday morning.

Jedimum1 · 29/07/2017 19:03

To be honest, I'd start to contact police and solicitors, explain the situation and get some advice. It's your garden. If they had knocked a wall to have access to your living room, they would be also trespassing. Your flat is worth more because it has a garden, in the same way that maybe the 3rd floor flat is worth more than the 1st floor flat because the former might have a loft, or one flat with a garage versus a parking space. You need to take this seriously, they surely have received news by now. Who doesn't call the builders to check everything is fine? They might have changed the doors to visually fit with the rest, so they are thinking of planning permission and the like, but not thinking about your ownership of the garden. They probably think it's shared but I'd worry that if you let them use it, they might have some kind of rights to claim shared ownership down the line. Stop it in its tracks, report it, keep an official record of your disapproval, etc

Foreverhopeful22 · 29/07/2017 19:04

Sounds good to me. Although I would still call police anyway and start getting things recorded as they are ignoring notice from planning already.

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WhatIsThisWatt · 29/07/2017 19:04

lazy is it?? Sorry if a pp has suggested this and I've missed it. I'll have a look.

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AlletrixLeStrange · 29/07/2017 19:04

Can you build a brick wall in front of their doors?

If you're near Devon then you're near me and I'll bring me shovel.

CFN vanished, Spanish grandma, patio doors, I don't know what the hell to call this thread #5
PoppyBucket · 29/07/2017 19:04

And seriously, tell 101

Yup. Get it logged.

C8H10N4O2 · 29/07/2017 19:04

@WhatIsThisWatt Have modified description on the board :)

As others have said - photographs, notice and log the recurring trespass and potential harassment/threat with police even if they can't come out and do anything. Send it all to the nice lady in planning as well.

CCTV can be set up very cheaply to record to home computre.

8misskitty8 · 29/07/2017 19:05

Stick a copy of the note on the patio doors facing in , in case it's just the builders who have been going into the house and they don't open the note through the door.

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WhatIsThisWatt · 29/07/2017 19:07

alle I love that, maybe just leave them a small gap so they can see me enjoying my lovely grass.

You bring the tools, i'll tot over to Ken/ Raj for another bottle. Grin

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Doesitgoto11 · 29/07/2017 19:07

Fuck me this just gets worse! I'd be tempted to take leave just to stop cunty builders in their tracks next time they're there (with NNDN as back up/witness) but obvs it's not exactly a practical solution Confused

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WhatIsThisWatt · 29/07/2017 19:08

It's raining here, what can I use to cover the letter and stick it to the doors??

I'll post one through the front door too.

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BeepBeepMOVE · 29/07/2017 19:08

Ciggie butts would have been straight through the letter box along with any other rubbish I had to had because I fly right off the handle!

You need to block those doors immediately, nothing to damage them but to stop them gaining access to your garden. You are fully within your rights to secure your property.

I would also buy security/motion camera from amazon to film them- sounds like you'd be able to set it up looking out of your window rather than having to mount one outdoors so would be pretty cheap.

Lazyafternoon · 29/07/2017 19:08

Here's the land registry thing: www.gov.uk/search-property-information-land-registry

Costs £3 but I'd say worth it to find out who the CFN are!

Ontheboardwalk · 29/07/2017 19:08

I'd say the police have been informed (please do ring 101) in the note

I personally would take out the line about the contacting you to put it right and gain access. Let them figure out what needs to be done, don't be accommodating at this stage.

Scarpetta1982 · 29/07/2017 19:08

I would go with that letter watty- it's clear from the offset- but keep a copy for your own records.

Neverknowing · 29/07/2017 19:08

I can't believe the gall of these people! It feels like this thread has been going for weeks, so many updates in so little time.

Florene · 29/07/2017 19:09

Bin bag and sellotape over top will keep it dry

simon50 · 29/07/2017 19:09

If the builders turn up tomorrow and the police are unwilling to come out try saying that the builders action is likely to cause a breach of the peace, that might be more effective.
Enjoy your wine.

MadamePomfrey · 29/07/2017 19:09

Yeah I would call 101 because no legal knowledge at all but does the fact they are contriving a notice from the council change it from a civil case- Tresspassing to something more??? That might be complete crap though as I say no legal knowledge. Do photograph everything!! I don't think the butts need saving for DNA though Wink. Keep a copy of the letter you send but yes I would also tap something to the doors into the garden for any builders too!!
I reckon they think as your doors were approved if they have doors similar to that they are more likely to get approval!!