To ask what policy your Uni has on women's spaces?

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Those of you who have recent work or study experience.

Would you mind listing institution names and their policies?

NC if you need to of course.

why use a loo designated as a women's only loo if you are a man but chose to live a female gender

No doubt someone will be along shortly to TERF and feather you for referring to a female-from-birth-with-faulty-plumbing as a "man".

Gird your loins.

Just something to chuck into the mix - in the US (where the trans toilet ridiculousness kicked off) how many attacks on cis women have been carried out by trans women in toilets? Zero. How many attacks on women carried out by male republican senators in toilets? 4. 'Nuff said. My uni has 'trans women welcome' signs on the women's toilets and I'm 100% behind that

And you've probably been sharing toilet space with trans women, before this absurd moral panic about trans women attacking via women in toilets. . So why the sudden fit of the vapours I really don't know.

My confusement (to my embarrassment) is people who are transgender who in no way present as the gender they believe (for lack of a better word) they are.

JamPasty a man who wants to attack a women in a toilet can unfortunately just go in and do that. This has been recorded many times. A man dressed up as a woman sneaking in to a toilet pre-attack... this has never been recorded!! It's fantasy. What is real is the huge number of recorded attacks on trans women. How would it be for them to have to use the men's?

My confusement (to my embarrassment) is people who are transgender who in no way present as the gender they believe (for lack of a better word) they are.

"Identifies as"?

Yes, IKWYM. I don't think it's your everyday mainstream transwomen that particularly concern anyone, that's for sure.

peggy that's a reasonable thing to be confused about, I think about it that I don't always present in an especially feminine way, and I'm still a woman. There's a huge amount of unreasonable expectation placed on trans people to pass...and if they do try, they get accused of performing a stereotyped view of gender.

how many attacks on cis women have been carried out by trans women in toilets?

Quite a few. Or at least men claiming to be trans have attacked women in women's toilets but that only proves how bad of an idea self identification is.

And please don't use the term cis woman. I am not a cis woman. I'm just a woman thanks.

man who wants to attack a women in a toilet can unfortunately just go in and do that. This has been recorded many times

And could previously be legitimately challenged.

What is real is the huge number of recorded attacks on trans women. How would it be for them to have to use the men's?

Attacks by men. Males (as a class) are a danger to other men and to women. This is why we have single sex facilities. MTTs should campaign for their own facilities, rather than claiming that as special nice males they should have access to the women's.

Ferrets so all these universities with self-ID policies and gender neutral toilets must be overrun by lawsuits from people attacked in toilets?

www.dailywire.com/news/5190/5-times-transgender-men-abused-women-and-children-amanda-prestigiacomo#

I was at an event at imperial college the other day and noticed that their disabled loo was labelled "gender neutral". No other toilets on that floor

Ferrets I think the term 'cis' is kind of handy when having a discussion specifically about transgender women and not-transgender-women-who-identify-as-the-gender-they-were-assigned-at-birth, no?

It's trans is not a noun. You cannot be male/female to trans. You are a trans woman, or trans man. If you can't bear to acknowledge that trans women are women, then they are trans people.

Thanks girlinterrupted.

Loops no idea about unis. I do know that despite what that other poster claimed, that there have been quite a few cases of men claiming to be transgender to get access to womens spaces and assaulting them in the US since self ID laws were put in place.

MrsTerry so...the options trans people had before they changed the rules? "use a disabled toilet" "hold it" or "use a lavatory you are massively uncomfortable about using" Well, exactly. Let's find a solution that throws no one under the bus. Because currently we are merely exchanging women's discomfort for trans people's discomfort. Why is the solution to make this a women's problem, rather than solving the problem?

The problem is what? Male violence if you take the view that trans women are unsafe in male loos. Well, that's the reason a lot of women aren't happy with men in women's spaces. Which is what you get if you allow anyone to just say they are female.

So separate, enclosed, lockable spaces.

5, one of which (sorry the page kept jumping so couldn't actually read any further) didn't actually do anything, he just walked in the changing room? Also, without wanting to state the obvious, The Daily Wire is hardly a reputable, unbiased, news source.

If loos are to be for everyone why don't they all have gender neutral and / or unisex on the door. I personally would not want this as it would put me off using loos when out and about because I want to use women only loos and have them sex segregated rather than gender segregated. to use the term women or men relates to biological sex so if the loos are based on gender then it is misledading to call the loos women's or men's if that makes sense.

OhLaVache

Ferrets I think the term 'cis' is kind of handy when having a discussion specifically about transgender women and not-transgender-women-who-identify-as-the-gender-they-were-assigned-at-birth, no?

No. The word woman/women is perfectly sufficient for what you label not-transgender-women-who-identify-as-the-gender-they-were-assigned-at-birth. No need to add anything else to it.

As for uni. I graduated from Bradford 3 years ago and there was no gender neutral toilets although they may obviously have changed.

I'm pretty amazed that as a 36yo I have anything relevant to add about unis! !

@OhLaVache

Nobody is assigned a gender at birth. Your sex is recorded based on whether you have a penis or a vagina at birth.

The word woman is fine in discussions such as this; there is really no need for the 'cis' prefix.

not-transgender-women-who-identify-as-the-gender-they-were-assigned-at-birth

What about not-transgender-women who don't have or believe in gender identities?

Actually, girl, it's amazing how many different events take place on campus. I should have asked for the observations of parents on the open day trail too.

Actually quite a few more than 5 Loops. Google is a wonderful thing.

MrsTerry Yeh, I do actually agree, GN toilets shouldn't be the only option, especially if it actually reduces the amount of available toilets.

But I also think it's disingenuous to say that all women are uncomfortable with trans women being able to use the bathroom they are comfortable with, whether that is the women's or the men's or the gender neutral.

As this thread shows, many (dare I say most) universities have adopted self-ID and gender neutral/gender segregated bathroom policies, I have yet to hear of any incidents directly resulting from these policies.

Unless you feel that university students are less likely to cause these problems (really? Young men, drinking, lad culture) than people in wider society, it's hard to get on board with the mass panic of the perceived threat of these policies being adopted everywhere.