To ask what policy your Uni has on women's spaces?

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Those of you who have recent work or study experience.

Would you mind listing institution names and their policies?

NC if you need to of course.

No AB. I am pointing out flaws in someone else's logic.

I personally don't feel transwomen, or lesbians, or heteroflexible women or heterosexual women are anymore or less of a threat to any of the others in a university residence.

I'd be quite happy to share bathroom and shower space with anyone who identifies in the above groups. (And I have done previously).

"Also, nobody should be forced to see penis if they don't want to."

How does walking to a bathroom in a towel force someone to view a penis?

It doesn't.

WildernessWhale What makes you believe that transwomen are less of a threat to women than other males?

You seemed to be suggesting that lesbians commit sexual and violent crimes at the same rate as male bodied people?

AssassinatedBeauty

No, I was replying directly to the PP about (the PP's perceived) "risks" of her daughter being seen walking down a residence corridor to a shower room in a towel.

So, what are the risks posed by lesbians?

Your definition of a female and mine are different

There is only one definition of female.

It's also a bit rich to talk about the suicide risk among transgender people whilst mental health support for us is being withdrawn because any kind of therapy is seen as conversion therapy.

In terms of your perceived risk of transwomen in gender-neutral shared space? I believe there's been one incidence in over thirty years (in Canada).

I'd say that is pretty conclusive that shared spaces is not a cause of an increase in rapes/threats here.

Sorry, perhaps I'll reframe the question. Do you think men are equally risk free?

AssassinatedBeauty I have said that I believe there are no risks, it's was the PP who raised risks with her daughter walking down a corridor in a towel to a showeroom / bathroom.

curry
Pardon me? It's a bit rich to mention that because of societies behaviour and treatment to a vulnerable portion of our communities (as demonstrated on mumsnet) those members of our communities have suicide rates so high that more than half of them have attempted suicide?

I don't think that's "a bit rich" at all. I think it's diabolically shocking that that number is so high. I think it's a number that should be on everyone's mind when participating any discussion related to transpeople.

Maybe if people were more aware of that statistic, discussions would become less transphobic and more progressive, maybe, we'd see that suicide rate fall drastically (one can hope).

I'd be quite happy to share bathroom and shower space with anyone who identifies in the above groups.

Good for you. Claim your virtue badge. It's not all about you, and your feelings. Or those of trans identified males.

AssassinatedBeauty My previous reply was to your "unframed question". Please go and read the PP to see that it wasn't me who raised risks.

venusinscorpio

Nope it's not all about me at all; but a lot of people do feel the same.

Right, so you advocate for all spaces to be mixed, for everyone. No need for any kind of sex segregated spaces anywhere, for anyone?

Male and female loos please.

If you don't know which one to use, look between your legs. That should clear it up.

those members of our communities have suicide rates so high that more than half of them have attempted suicide?

Hmmm. Possibly there could be an alternative explanation for these higher rates of suicide? if you think everyone on the planet is going to validate their internal gender identity, you're expecting too much.

How does letting someone with a penis shower alongside my daughter make that person less likely to attempt suicide?

Yes, mental health services are shit. Yes, services for all sorts of issues (including trans issues, PND etc) are under-funded. We can certainly agree on that.

But why not campaign along with everyone else - male, female, trans etc - to make those services better. How does me agreeing that a transwoman is the same as a biological woman help that trans woman's mental health?

Nope it's not all about me at all; but a lot of people do feel the same.

Yes and a lot of women feel the opposite. I think it should be a matter of respecting those who feel it's a violation of their boundaries.

And there are very high incidences of mental health issues amongst teenaged girls. Maybe if we tell them they are actually chickens they will feel so much better.

"How does me agreeing that a transwoman is the same as a biological woman help that trans woman's mental health?"

Because you are accepting them for who they are, and who they view themselves as. You would be accepting them as a woman. That would make a huge difference to their mental health (ask anyone who is trans about what the biggest barrier to good mental health is and this would probably be it in 99% of the responses).

(I do campaign to make services better, I am heavily involved in the local services in my area - which includes the Tavistock)

Wilderness I think it's a bit rich for people to constantly bring the high suicide risk up when mental health support for trans people is currently getting harder and harder to access as a result of transactivism, yes.

So other people's boundaries have to be ignored in order to improve the mental health of trans women?

"of mental health issues amongst teenaged girls."

Yes there are, and i view that as unacceptable, but fifty percent of teenage girls do not attempt suicide.

Please don't categorise suicide attempts in the same category as every other mental health difficulty; you are totally minimising suicide by doing this.

Whilst other mental health difficulties do also need funding appropriately you can surely see the difference between a suicide attempt (often repeated attempts) and other common mental health symptoms, no?