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To think it's pathetic to take drugs on a night out ...

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Ashkey234 · 24/07/2017 16:10

She's 31 and until she met this new girl she never took drugs.
Now every time she goes out with her she takes Coke.
Every 30 minutes going to the toilet taking more.
I'm starting to dislike her because of it,I know that sounds awful but she's always jumping around after it,sweating,sniffing,bleeding nose and I just think she's Pathetic.
Both 31,she has 3 kids and I think your a mother and doing that.
I love a night out,cocktails etc but I'm honestly thinking of ending our friendship.
What's your opinions?

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makeourfuture · 26/07/2017 07:02

Heroin

Scale.

Maybe when we forced mass addiction on China.....

FruitCider · 26/07/2017 07:55

You should have a look at prof Nutts research on societal harm of drugs... very interesting. Anyway I attach a chart for your info. OP note alcohol is at the top!

To think it's pathetic to take drugs on a night out ...
FruitCider · 26/07/2017 08:00

Where I am in the UK the biggest problem is with prescription drugs: lyrica, tramadol, diazepam, codeine and temazepam. In one weekend we had 5 people die from taking alcohol along with these drugs.

As a detox nurse these are my worst nightmare. Patients are coming in on ever higher combinations prescribed by the GP. Worst one I have ever seen is

110ml methadone a day
300mg pregabalin twice a day
40mg diazepam a day
22.5mg zopiclone?!?!?! at night
45mg mirtazepine at night
90mg dihydricodeine twice a day
50mg amytriptaline twice a day.

I did an ECG within minutes of him coming to me. I then sat him down with my doctor and told him he was at risk of death.

We are about to go pregabalin/gabapentin free e.g. We are going to detox everyone off it.

I think some community gps need to be held accountable for their prescribing!

Oblomov17 · 26/07/2017 08:09

Cornycopia Grin

To think it's pathetic to take drugs on a night out ...
mogulfield · 26/07/2017 08:42

To those moaning about the coffee trade, it's really had to clean up its act (because it was terrible) www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sustainable-business/2015/apr/21/starbucks-caffe-nero-costa-tesco-ethical-coffee-rankings

Starbucks is now 99% fair-trade.
But I suppose your coke is fair trade as well?

peachgreen · 26/07/2017 09:17

Saying you can't be concerned about the violence within the drug trade if you buy coffee / chocolate / cheap clothes etc is the most ridiculous whataboutery I've ever heard.

revolution909 · 26/07/2017 09:23

The violence cause by the drug trade is real! (I'm Mexican I would know). My dad could die any any day thanks to a lost bullet. Even though I've never seen any of those bodies on the road / hanging off bridges, knowing they're a real thing does have a toll on your psyche. I'm sorry but all of that coke is at the cost of innocent people's blood.

worridmum · 26/07/2017 09:55

What people dont get is taking drugs is supporting such horrid shit especially in Mexico and south America mass murder rape genocidal clearance of native people

I judge them the same as people who supported nazis and people who stick by rapists

worridmum · 26/07/2017 09:59

Research the drug cartels and see if taking drugs is fine as it is a vote supporting the likes of drug barons but hey aslong as you can get high you would happily support that

My only wish would be that drug takers should be the only ones having to deal with all the asoicated shit with cartels aka they were the only ones facing death ,kidnapping or rape or much worse that the innocent people in the effected areas are suffering from

Decaffstilltastesweird · 26/07/2017 10:37

I honestly can't say which has worse consequences between unethical legal products and drugs.

I don't see the answer as just saying "fuck it, my fair trade coffee might not be as ethical as I thought it was, so I'll just go ahead and buy something that everyone knows is unethical". At least with products sold in shops, you can campaign and pressure governments, producers and vendors to do more. You can really research what you're happy buying or not. But only British or European products I found you think that is more ethical. With drugs, you have no recourse. You get what you're given and that's that. Which brings us back to the potential benefits of legalisation. But, again, ATM it isn't legal, so there is no regulation and no accountability AT ALL, at any part of the supply line. This makes it more dangerous for all parties concerned imo.

Whatever you think about other products being unethical, there is regulation, even if you feel it might be lacking. It would be great to know how to make a stand (something more effective than boycotting) against unethical legal products. These are being sold everywhere, which is worse in some ways. However it also puts us in a position of power. With drugs, you have no power or control. Drugs aren't the answer m'kay.

Decaffstilltastesweird · 26/07/2017 10:39

Oh do fuck off autocorrect;

"Buy only British or European products if you think that is..."

HoneyDragon · 26/07/2017 10:45

Decaff problem with that is that people make assumptions on what goes on in manufacturing without any knowledge or research I've seen people refusing to by a product on the basis it would be made in a sweatshop abroad when I knew fine well it was made in Bedford Grin but that's a whole different thread in itself.

Illegal drugs in the other hand are trafficked and easy to avoid from an ethical standpoint.

Decaffstilltastesweird · 26/07/2017 10:46

Grin Honey. Yes, there will always be 'that person'.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 26/07/2017 11:29

Those pp's that specifically mention the drug trade as reasons for not taking it, so its not so much the drugs use/effects you are against just the way it is grown, trafficked and sold youre against?

revolution909 · 26/07/2017 11:39

Well if people want to kill themselves it's up to them. But killing indirectly other people as a side effect of their drug habit is a different thing.

worridmum · 26/07/2017 11:41

i am agaisnt inocient people lives destoryed by the drug trade

i simply not bothered what people willing consume/enject/smoke aslong as it does not effect unwilling people and if people wanted to consume pure posion i wouldnt stop them as thats there choice its when someones choice adversly effects others that i care about

mogulfield · 26/07/2017 11:45

just I don't take drugs because I watched my academic lovely energetic loving brother become a shell of him former self, he dabbled in all sorts but predominantly found coke to be the main problem. I was once in his house at 4pm and he did a line.
I've also just left the armed forces, so for 10 years I was drugs tested.

I've watched a few documentaries recently about the drugs trade (find them interesting), and it's a predominant reason as well now.
I would say all drugs aren't equal in this respect- my brother got his weed from a guy that grew it (very rare I appreciate). So as far as he could tell minimal violence etc involved in that chain. He's now stopped the coke, thank goodness.

everythingissoblinkinrosie · 26/07/2017 12:01

It's not just about the trade it's about fucking yourself up with shit.
And being a real bore to everyone around you.
And flushing money down the toilet.
And risking addiction.
And risking losing your job.
Other than that, it's just a fun night out.

Decaffstilltastesweird · 26/07/2017 12:02

just

For me it's both. I've listed loads of my reasons through the thread. If you're interested in my ramblings Grin, go have a read. It's not just one thing or another.

MrsTerryPratchett · 26/07/2017 14:42

I do care about the trade. It is utterly dreadful. I reason I raised chocolate is that I'm sick of people caring about something only as a stick to beat others with.

Racists who only care about women when they can blame Muslims for misogyny.
Misogynists who only care about male rape when they can blame feminists for not caring about it.
People who only care about the unethical trade in cash crops when it is a stick to beat drugs users with. As they happily munch on a KitKat made by Nestle with chocolate that probably involves slavery, possibly child slavery.

And yes, opium and the associated wars were dreadful. And the harm to places like Afghanistan is horrible. Cocaine in South and Central America is causing terrible harm, which is getting worse. I have seen the effect that alcohol has had on the First Nations people (Aboriginal people) and that is terrifying. And it's still happening.

Tackling addiction and the harm caused by cash crops and unfair trade is important. I don't think pillorying and criminalising drug users helps that. I think it makes it worse.

Decaffstilltastesweird · 26/07/2017 15:08

I don't think pillorying and criminalising drug users helps that. I think it makes it worse

The teeny bit of research I've read suggests this^^ is exactly right.

Showing my age a bit here, but there are lyrics in a System of a Down song; "all research in successful drugs policy shows that treatment should be increased and law enforcement decreased while abolishing mandatory minumum sentences". Not that song lyrics are the best thing on which to base one's views, but it is quite well said.

MrsTerryPratchett · 26/07/2017 15:16

Not that song lyrics are the best thing on which to base one's views Then I probably shouldn't say how many of my opinions were based on Rage Against the Machine lyrics Grin

Decaffstilltastesweird · 26/07/2017 15:16

Though I think most people on this thread haven't been pillorying drug users. It's pointless to pretend that there aren't great benefits to not using drugs, for fear of hurting some drug users' feelings.

MrsTerryPratchett · 26/07/2017 15:19

Portugal's policy of decriminalization. Most importantly for me, working with street drug users, is that they have found less infection rates. Which means that if someone gets themselves into recovery, they have a chance to live a long and happy life. In highly criminalized systems, they may have been sharing equipment and likely have HiV/AIDS or HepC. And a criminal record.