to think that schoolchildren should not have to wear a sign saying they have 24hrs to get their uniform sorted?

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www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jul/17/school-makes-pupils-wear-signs-if-uniform-doesnt-meet-standards

The idea being that by wearing a sign, it makes teachers aware that the pupil is aware of the issue and is going to get it sorted.

But I think that wearing a sign just also highlights issues and makes the pupils a potential target.

There are loads of reasons why a uniform might not be up to scratch in the morning. Not all of them are under the pupils' control.

Pengwwwn why would you expect to know how I think I am qualified to say this? I have not divulged my personal or work history to you.

I am not disputing that such policies will have been discussed at length. What I am disputing is their effectiveness. As others have pointed out, there are many reasons why a child may not have the correct uniform down to the nth pettifogging degree, many of which will be down to the parents, rather than the child. 'Just buy the right shoes' is not always an option for families who struggle financially.

Wasting time is my principal objection to uber-strict uniform rules. They don't help students to learn more, but they do ensure a lot of staff time is taken up dealing with uniform, rather than on more productive tasks. I would rather teachers' time was spent teaching my child.

Yes, ime a bully will always find a reason. Both my DDs were always immaculately turned out - their choice. They still got bullied - for being high achievers in DD1's case, for speaking out on LGBT rights in DD2's.

Anything cab be used as a weapon ffs. Even sodding paper cab be used to cause Harm. They are sat on chairs aren't they? Very effective weapon right there

I would really, really like to see a reason why uniform is so essential that stands up to scrutiny, given that so many countries where children achieve better outcomes than the UK seem to manage without.

Or are UK children particularly feral and unruly?

Anyone remember the flap jack story. Np triangles allowed due to elf and safety. Squares fine though. Which cab be cut to make TWO triangles

If you have kids acting that violently your problem is so far beyond shoes

And last time I checked a normal pair of patent school shoes did not have steel toe caps so explain why they are "too shiny"

Woukd they be used to reflect the sun onto someone's eyes

Why make a fuss about something so trivial?

If it's trivial why are schools so bothered then?

It's not trivial though is it. Patent leather shoes are perfectly smart as worn by thousands of school kids across the country ttheres fuck all reason to ban them except being pedantic. They are easier to clean and look smarter longer in fact

Why make a fuss about something so trivial?

Why make rules that are petty, pointless and trivial?

Honestly, Penggg, you do sound a bit unusual over the steel toe cap argument. I've not heard that one before, and nor do I expect to, tbh.

And yes I am perfectly well qualified to be on this thread, or in a governors' meeting.

DD1 will be wearing her Docs to 6th form (no uniform, just a light touch dress code). Because the moment children finish their GCSEs, they magically become sensible people who can be trusted with boots. Except for the ones who can't - they end up concentrated in schools where they have to dress like junior estate agents.

All this stuff doesn't seem to happen anywhere else so why are British children incapable of wearing certain kinda if footwear and needing hair band and flap jack regulations.

Penggg But you have absolutely no idea who I am.