to think that schoolchildren should not have to wear a sign saying they have 24hrs to get their uniform sorted?

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www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jul/17/school-makes-pupils-wear-signs-if-uniform-doesnt-meet-standards

The idea being that by wearing a sign, it makes teachers aware that the pupil is aware of the issue and is going to get it sorted.

But I think that wearing a sign just also highlights issues and makes the pupils a potential target.

There are loads of reasons why a uniform might not be up to scratch in the morning. Not all of them are under the pupils' control.

Why has the girl holding the card got one massive fingernail? Maybe she needs to sort out her cocaine problem too.

But bullied because of uniform? I have never, ever seen this happen

I have but not for wearing the incorrect uniform

There always will be parents that blindly tow the line regardless of how pedantic rules seem.

I'm sure that an adult wouldn't be made to wear such a lanyard if their work shoes were too glossy or they wore the wrong head band.

We are preparing our secondary children for adulthood and that means engaging them appropriately rather then motivating young people through shame.

Pengwwwn my MP is a dyed-in the-wool Tory who will stick to tradition come what may, without doing any actual thinking or questioning as to whether blindly following tradition for its own sake is a good thing. He will just parrot the standard lines that are usually trotted out about uniform.

You told parents who don't believe the positive effects of uniform are big enough to counteract the enormous amount of time spent wasted dealing with petty infringements of it, that they can just send their kids to a non-uniform school. As I think you realise, this is not actually a viable option for most. Which is why it is perfectly valid for parents who do not agree with a uniform policy to put that view across.

Are the kids who have been bullying others going to be made to wear lanyards saying that they are bullies?

A question i already know the answer to.

Children are wearing these lanyards for having the wrong coloured hair band or too glossy shoes. That seems rather pedantic.

Crowy

Crowy My vote's with 'Tulsa' .

It would be better than having to wander round displaying a lanyard with such appalling grammar.

I have 24 hours to shag Keifer Sutherland out of his brains

You can see where the kids get it from, can't you?

This is about 'offenses' including shoes not being polishable enough though. Which is a money issue, really.

Pengwwwn I don't agree that it is a waste of time to argue with the school, necessarily, depending on what you are arguing about. If it is about major elements of uniform, then probably there is no point, and best policy is to just suck it up. If,however, it is about silly nitpicking like patent shoes then it might be worth challenging. It could well be that a large number of other parents feel similarly.

As to thinking, as in properly thinking about stuff, I wouldn't be too confident that much of that goes on in every single school TBH. Not wishing to tar every school, because there are great ones, with great teachers, but also truly awful ones with HTs with all the psychological insight of a doorpost.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. When schools have no bullying issues, consistently good teachers, no drug , knife, victim blaming , slut shaming, sexual harassment problems then maybe then yet can start worrying about what shoes or hair bands the kids are wearing. Until then there are far more important things that require such dedicated attention.

What Giles said.

I feel especially strong on this because both my DDs have been bullied. Both times the school cracked down at the first time of reporting and it was stopped.

IMO that is a school that has its priorities right. My DDs are allowed to dye their hair (naturally occurring colours but still) and have their nails painted - the school don't give a toss. But if they fail to do their work, misbehave in class, are rude or bully others, there are instant consequences.

Why do we in the UK think it is necessary to spend about 12 years teaching our kids to dress appropriately in case they end up in a job that requires a uniform? Surely that's something they will learn the first time they get a job and don't play by the rules? We want to teach them to be independent adults who can judge a situation, not spoonfed mindless drones.

Then explain how a sturdy pair of walking boots would not be allowed as not black bit a cheap pair of Mary Janes with zero grip would be? Safety my arse.

Oh Giles I think I love you.

And bullys bully. If you think making thek wear cheap polyester and designated shoes changes that you have another thing coming.

I'm just trawling the news for stories from countries where there is no school uniform. Must be lots of kids getting kicked to death by sturdy boots, plus complete anarchy in the classroom everywhere...

If you have kids kicking people call the sodding police. They still have their foot ball boots lunch boxes compasses and their body weight to cause harm