to think that schoolchildren should not have to wear a sign saying they have 24hrs to get their uniform sorted?

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www.theguardian.com/education/2017/jul/17/school-makes-pupils-wear-signs-if-uniform-doesnt-meet-standards

The idea being that by wearing a sign, it makes teachers aware that the pupil is aware of the issue and is going to get it sorted.

But I think that wearing a sign just also highlights issues and makes the pupils a potential target.

There are loads of reasons why a uniform might not be up to scratch in the morning. Not all of them are under the pupils' control.

To 5moreminutes

I disagree they are a great equaliser - many children I support are from disadvantaged backgrounds and in the schools I work there are some very wealthy and some very poor and the poor really do stand out on non uniform days.... imagine if they had to turn up every day...some children are very cruel when it comes to clothing shoes brands etc

Wouldn't they have nore money for clothes if they didn't have to buy uniform though?

Between friends and family or eBay things like the next sale, sakes in general, Xmas and birthday money, voucher codes etc you can minimise the costs of clothes.

However when logod cardigans are 14 quid a go (need at least three. 1 on one hanging up one in wash) school shoes which can't be worn for anything else, pe kits, blazers are at least 26-40 pounds it adds up. I have to buy trainers For home and school. For instance as I said before between book bags and cardigans and school shoes I spend a fortune even though the rest cab be gotten at asda.

I fail to see how 2-400 quid on uniform that has only one purpose is cheaper than clothes. Hockey boots trainers and school shoes for school and trainers for home that's 4 lots of shoes that need replacing every time they grow as opposed to 1. Imagine they could buy more clothes with the difference

Second hand sales are all very well but you have to hope There are the right sizes they often have names in so everyone would know anyway. White shirts are often not sold second hand for obvious reasons. It's handy for a top up but you still have to have uniform til you find out when the sale is and to cover you of you can't get the right size

Wouldn't they have nore money for clothes if they didn't have to buy uniform though?

The people on the threads who have posted about this issue didn't.
Schools usually sell second hand uniforms to keep costs down. At my school the only branded purchase is the blazer, everything else can be got from supermarkets.

But once again these are arguments against uniform, not against lanyards.

We changed to uniform from non uniform (alternative provision). We bought it for the children. All they needed to provide was black shoes (trainers fine).

I think it's a great idea! I'm seeing a range of easy to clip on lanyard decorations for teens to modify their look!!

Seriously though, as with anything like this. Ones who care and rarely break the rules, will be mortified and would be embarrassed being asked what they got a lanyard for. The ones who do it all the time, won't care probably won't wear it or will see it as a badge of honour if they do.

If you didn't have a uniform then the lanyard issue wouldn't arise

I rather like the idea of decorating them with lanyards.

I have 24 hours to sort out my uniform
I have 24 hours to get my homework in
I have 24 hours to erase the penis I drew on the maths room desk

Actually, I would like to see a countdown timer. Give a sense of urgency to it.

I have 19 hours and 24 minutes to sort out my uniform
19 hours and 23 minutes...
22 minutes...

Madonna and after 24 hours, the lanyard could explode. That would really sort out discipline in schools. No-one would ever dare wear too shiny shoes again...

....i have 24 hours to sort out my singed/ smoke damaged shirt....

And back we go

I was actually thinking along far more dystopian lines with exploding neck collar type things, but maybe we should keep that for a second offence.

Second Offence? Where's the rigour?

Cross bows in the arena.

When I was at school letters were sent home to parents if uniform was not correct. Sometimes detentions were given. I really don't see the need for these lanyard things. It could make some kids a target for bullies

Also, I don't consider myself anti -uniform but I do think some of the rules have become excessive of late, particularly as regards shoes. eg- there was a row at one school over a girl who had shoes the right colour and style except they had small bows on them. black, like the shoes. Not like they were big purple bows or anything like that. But she was suspended until her parents got it right. I think finding shoes of the right colour and heel height is easy. But as to whether they have bows or not or lace up or are loafers or not etc is a bit harder. Not all kids have standard size feet. I was in ladies size 9, wide fit by the time I was 13. Shoe shopping for school took ages.

No uniform here. Although they all seem to have defaulted to Primark hoodies and jeans and baseball boots. Practical and cheap without the hassle of enforcement. What's not to like?

Yes, when I taught in France, I found it amusing that even though there was no uinform, all of the teens dressed alike, often with groups of friends wearing identical trainers, rucksacks, hoodies and jeans - that's teenagers for you!

We do the uniform debate in school as part of debating club and the general consensus every year is that the kids would rather wear uniform.

I think a sensible uniform promotes a sense of belonging to a school. It identifies the child as part of a community. This is why over-zealous monitoring of it is a shame as it detracts from a reasonable position.

State school uniform is usually pretty cheap and has changed markedly from many years ago when there was only one outfitter. Schools who obsess about uniform are usually trying to cover up other defects in my view. Usually they need to sort out a whole range of other things to be a better school for their children. Uniform misdemenours should be a minor irritation.

I actually really like this idea. It does stop repeated members of staff having to challenge kids for wearing the wrong stuff. I see this all the time. I think most kids at our school would be fine with it to be honest. But there will always be people who will complain about fricking everything

It depends on what you class as over-zealous bubbles

At ours (secondary) we specified a black skirt and black trousers, and as a result over the years this has turned into 'black lycra miniskirt' and 'black skinny jeans' in the eyes of the kids. We are cracking down now, partly because of complaints from members of the public (I kid you not) about kids being dressed 'provocatively'.

I would hope you told them to fuck off with their sexual interpretation of clothes on children than change what the kids are wearing

State school uniform is usually pretty cheap and has changed markedly from many years ago when there was only one outfitter

Actually, I'd say many academies have gone the other way, with their 'logo on everything' attitude to skirts and trousers and even PE socks.

Cait :o You are cracking down because members of the public complained that kids were dressed "provocatively" :o
Are you also implementing an "If you go out dressed like that you're asking for it and it serves you right" campaign?
Bloody hell!