To think it will serve some smokers right if outdoor smoking is banned

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Yesterday a friend and I were sitting outside a cafe in a park (no indoor seating) having a coffee. We were the only people there as it was late in the afternoon. A couple sat at the table right beside us and proceeded to light up and enjoy a couple of cigarettes with their coffee.

I was sitting at the bus shelter a couple of evenings ago and a guy sat down beside me and proceeded to light a cigarette. I got up and walked a few feet away and stood until the bus came. He just smoked away, oblivious.

There was a long queue at the ATM today as several in the area weren't working. A woman smoked away in front of me and around loads of other people as we all waited for our turn.

Surely, just because smoking isn't illegal out of doors, it doesn't mean smokers don't have to show any consideration of cop on towards others.

AIBU to think that some smokers (and I know it's only some) will have only themselves to blame if smoking out of doors is eventually made illegal?

Then I would kindly suggest you move away.

Your health is not anyone else's responsibility.

I think what you're all missing, is, we HAVE NO INTRINSIC RIGHTS, you have no rights, I have no rights. We have desires and we have volition

I actually find this statement quite liberating. It saves me from getting huffy over stuff that I shouldn't be getting huffy about.

As do I Ethel

YADNBU It is disgusting and thoughtless to sit and smoke next to other people.

Good job the internet separates us then Lulu.

Then I would kindly suggest you move away

See it is this mindset that is my issue. So if we're sitting, mid-meal and someone comes over and starts puffing away, the onus is on us to move rather than expect a little consideration until we're not eating?

This thread totally illustrates the selfishness and addiction of some smokers. I have witnessed a smoker refusing to stop when diagnosed with lung cancer, yet willing to take the drug at £1000 a pop in the hope of extending life.

This thread also totally illustrates the selfishness of some non-smokers. You're happy for smokers to be outside in the middle of winter while you snuggle round the pub fire but as soon as the weather improves you expect them to disappear off the face of the earth so you can sit outside. Obviously it's not going to happen.

This thread also totally illustrates the selfishness of some non-smokers. You're happy for smokers to be outside in the middle of winter while you snuggle round the pub fire but as soon as the weather improves you expect them to disappear off the face of the earth so you can sit outside. Obviously it's not going to happen.

Yes but you seem to overlook the fact that me not smoking has no impact on your health, whereas you smoking damages my health and especially the health of my asthmatic children.

If you choose to smoke then you also choose to be outside in the middle of winter, tough!

Exactly Ropsley!

Smoking is proven to be harmful. It amazes me therefore that people are still allowed to do it in areas where it can affect other people.

Harmful to third parties I mean, ie passively.

You're happy for smokers to be outside in the middle of winter while you snuggle round the pub fire

absolutely not, read the thread. It should be banned all year round.

You are not outside in the winter because you are a smoker, but because you chose to go there to smoke, so not the same thing.

As an ex-smoker I am very sensitive to smoke now. I wouldn't want it banned outside but people should have consideration around others. When I smoked, I always tried to do it away from other people.

I'm not outside anywhere, I'm an ex-smoker.

I'm not outside anywhere, I'm an ex-smoker.

Bully for you! Those who do smoke make their own choices, which is fine so long as their choices don't impact on me or my family.

Dianag111
You wouldn't pass wind in a crowd so why would you smoke in a crowd.

You've obviously never commuted by tube train regularly as I used to before I retired. I would prefer a whiff of smoke any day.

Whenever I sit down on a bench in my local high street to have a smoke,I can guarantee that within 30 seconds of lighting up,someone will come and sit right next to me,usually eating,or with a small child,then proceed to look put out at the fact that I'm smoking! I never deliberately sit next to someone who isn't smoking,especially if they are eating or have children with them,so why do they insist on sitting right next to me when I've got a cigarette going?

Cheeseandonion to give them something to complain about??

Yanbu

Dianag111 I'm very sorry to hear about your cancer diagnosis

I know that being around a lot of passive smoke, e.g. living long term with a heavy indoor smoker, can increase a non-smoker's risk of lung cancer by around 25%. That's not the situation this thread is about though. We are discussing people being bothered by occasional second hand smoke, out of doors.

People can argue that it smells, that it makes them cough, that people drop dog ends etc. but there simply are not the same health arguments to justify outdoor bans as there are for indoor bans. It sets off some people's asthma but so do many, many other things. There is no evidence that occasional outdoor SHS increases a person's risk of cancer. How would you even measure that risk when everybody encounters it from time to time? How would you separate it out from all the other stuff we all occasionally inhale that is not good for us?

I'm sorry if this post comes across as insensitive. I didn't write it to be argumentative (I'm actually quite bored of this thread now), I wrote it because I know that a lot of people get extremely anxious about risks to their, and their children's health, especially cigarette smoke - to the point where it adversely affects their MH and relationships. I think it's important to keep these risks in proportion for the sake of sanity.

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