To think it will serve some smokers right if outdoor smoking is banned

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Yesterday a friend and I were sitting outside a cafe in a park (no indoor seating) having a coffee. We were the only people there as it was late in the afternoon. A couple sat at the table right beside us and proceeded to light up and enjoy a couple of cigarettes with their coffee.

I was sitting at the bus shelter a couple of evenings ago and a guy sat down beside me and proceeded to light a cigarette. I got up and walked a few feet away and stood until the bus came. He just smoked away, oblivious.

There was a long queue at the ATM today as several in the area weren't working. A woman smoked away in front of me and around loads of other people as we all waited for our turn.

Surely, just because smoking isn't illegal out of doors, it doesn't mean smokers don't have to show any consideration of cop on towards others.

AIBU to think that some smokers (and I know it's only some) will have only themselves to blame if smoking out of doors is eventually made illegal?

I do think we are at a stage where individual behaviour is more important than collectivism.

Because the people that are currently pushing in terms of philanthropy, and those that are really making a difference in technology are individuals who have been a result of capitalism.

And this may be a tenuous link to smoking, but it's actually a very strong point when it comes to self-determination.

The belief that we are independent of government and its auspices are key when discussing human development.

HairyHands and Ethel, so you do agree that smoking is dumb. Just because humans do other dumb stuff as well doesn't change the fact that smoking is dumb.

On the tube today, busy. Stonking body odour from woman next to me. As likely to kill you or unborn child as few seconds second-hand smoke in cashpoint queue. Walking down busy roads is more toxic - possibly not more than my fragrant travel companion, though.

No. As I said, 'I refute the act of smoking is dumb any more than any other Human action is dumb'

I did not, in any way, agree smoking is dumb.

The issue is I am yet to meet a smoker who isn't entitled

Well you won't will you?

All the non-entitled smokers are getting as far away from you as possible, making sure they don't 'blow smoke in your face', or your baby's face (), making sure they don't drop dog ends or otherwise cause a nuisance, doing their best to ensure you don't notice them smoking at all.

You notice 'entitled' smokers because they are a self-selecting group, just like every other 'entitled' group of people. You've just fixed on smoking because it's socially acceptable to do so. Entitled people are arseholes regardless of the particular entitled behaviour they are inflicting on you.

The fact comes down to self.

Do you feel entitled to not have smoke blown in your face?

Any more than you feel the urge to blow smoke.

It is only a FUCK YOU.

Any more than it's not.

Of course the Government does not want smokers to smoke for the tax. It costs more to treat smokers for illnesses than any money made.

Wrong. The tax raised from fags is phenomenal. The party donations from tobacco companies are also phenomenal. Not all smokers die from smoking related illnesses and those that do have paid a LOT of VAT throughout their smoking lives. The tax paid is of immediate benefit to the government and if smoking levels drop too low, that is when the cost of treat will outweigh the revenue smoking raises.

My D'S has been in and out of hospital since he was born with breathing problems...what they do know? Smoking seriously affects him.
It makes me mad that everytime I need to walk in or out of a shop, I have to walk him through a cloud of smoke... the irony... to get him INTO the hospital when he has a breathing failure... I have to walk him through a wall of smoke...sometimes being dealt by idiots in wheelchairs with oxygen support.
When he gets discharged... I have to walk him out the same bloody way. It makes me want to punch the selfish shi7s

My three DC all have asthma and disgusting smokers make their asthma worse. This thread shows how boody selfish smokers are with their don't give a fuck attitudes!

The issue is I am yet to meet a smoker who isn't entitled

Is utter nonsense.

Smokers are not an homogenous group. You may, universally disapprove of their behaviour, but they do not universally behave in the same way.

A considerate smoker will in no way affect you, they will in fact, only have positive effects on your life.

You only notice the inconsiderate ones though.

I was sitting on a bench the other day quite away from everyone having a ciggie....up walks this couple..woman asks is it ok to sit there and I politely say please do she then starts ehem ehem kind of cough and made me feel so bad I walked away and stood up away from them again

I think many of the "considerate" smokers are unaware of how far their smoke goes a and adversely affects others.

Many like to break the rules on private property as it's not a criminal offence they feel entitled to espically as they often aren't enforced.

Many like to break the rules on private property as it's not a criminal offence they feel entitled to espically as they often aren't enforced.

By which concept would you like to fuck off by?

Really, I think people that have these very strong, ney, utterly intrinsic thoughts, would hate the same absolutism when applied to their tenets.

If I've not set out my stall enough, I will unequivocally say,

As a human being, you have no absolutism over another, your needs and beliefs do not trump mine. You can have the thought that they do, you can wet your knickers over the behavior of others but you have no moral imperative over the way other people act.

Just because you do not approve of something does not make it so.

And thank fuck for that.

*Many like to break the rules on private property as it's not a criminal offence they feel entitled to espically as they often aren't enforced.

By which concept would you like to fuck off by?*

You're the person I challenged last week that was smoking in the children's playground of a soft play area where numerous signs said it wasn't allowed and told the staff to fuck off when they asked you to stop aren't you?

No, I'm not. I wouldn't smoke in a playground, because

a) I'm not a dick

b) I don't tell people to 'fuck off'

and

c) I hate to give people like you lattitude.

People who smoke are people. With the same lives issues and troubles as the next person. Cigarette smoking is expensive and heavily taxed.
I hate the smell of cigarettes but , I defend the right for people to be who they are. I hate the smell of petrol too. Let us not be precious

Ranty may be your name, but you seem sensible?

Misnomered?

Ranty very good point there.

Although I have enjoyed the part where ALL smokers are labelled disgusting or inconsiderate and have enjoyed hairyhands counter arguments but you may want to dumb them down a little to be understood by all

Ethel, this is why logical truths are true in all worlds. Rather than intrinsic facts, which are entirely personal.

As a human being, you have no absolutism over another, your needs and beliefs do not trump mine. You can have the thought that they do, you can wet your knickers over the behavior of others but you have no moral imperative over the way other people act.
Just because you do not approve of something does not make it so.

I think the French got it right when they wrote One person's freedom ends where another's begins.

or Freedom is being able to do anything that does not harm others

Your right to smoke stops where the right of others to eat smoke-free begins. Simple.

Man, do you think the French have it when it comes to self-determination?

They've been republican socialists for for nearly 200 years.

I think what you're all missing, is, we HAVE NO INTRINSIC RIGHTS, you have no rights, I have no rights. We have desires and we have volition.

I would hate to live in world where we all have rights, you seem to completely miss what I'm saying. Repeatedly.

Smoking outside is a problem for people like me who are asthmatic and have a damaged lung. I am a lifelong non-smoker and have never even tried one. If someone is smoking near me I cough violently. This person can be 6 feet away or sometimes more. I have no control over my coughing when I am in contact with cigarette smoke - I have to leave the area, not because I am offended, but because I cannot breathe. Very, very unsociable, dirty, filthy habit.