To think it will serve some smokers right if outdoor smoking is banned

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Yesterday a friend and I were sitting outside a cafe in a park (no indoor seating) having a coffee. We were the only people there as it was late in the afternoon. A couple sat at the table right beside us and proceeded to light up and enjoy a couple of cigarettes with their coffee.

I was sitting at the bus shelter a couple of evenings ago and a guy sat down beside me and proceeded to light a cigarette. I got up and walked a few feet away and stood until the bus came. He just smoked away, oblivious.

There was a long queue at the ATM today as several in the area weren't working. A woman smoked away in front of me and around loads of other people as we all waited for our turn.

Surely, just because smoking isn't illegal out of doors, it doesn't mean smokers don't have to show any consideration of cop on towards others.

AIBU to think that some smokers (and I know it's only some) will have only themselves to blame if smoking out of doors is eventually made illegal?

Pencils - I nearly rang the number to ask how they proposed I quit smoking when I didn't smoke
Have exceeded pics but the wording is " smoking in any form including e cigarettes is strictly not allowed anywhere on this site. Phone xxxxx stop smoking service for help to quit"
The second is "whether you smoke, vape or chew, the quit squad can help you"

Scroll down to page 2 under other tobacco products
https://www.lancsteachinghospitals.nhs.uk/download/doc/docm93jijm4n1316.pdf?amp;ver=4566

http://www.blogpreston.co.uk/2015/08/ukip-lancashire-vice-chairman-calls-for-re-think-of-e-cigarette-use-in-hospitals/

Then this

https://www.lancsteachinghospitals.nhs.uk/latest-news/were-going-smoke-free-2928

Shit. They're linking e cigs with cigarettes as a serious risk to health
Page 4. http://www.quitsquad.nhs.uk/media/PDF/Myths%20Case%20Studies/NHS%20Stop%20Smoking%20A5%20leaflet%2023.05.16.pdf

Well shit, that's my weekend busy!

How up to date is that quitsquad link?

In the last link? Date at the bottom says march 2016

Fucking hell Oliver, I've just been looking at their ecig briefing from this page I can't quite get my head round just how out of step they are with pretty much all the rest of UK public health and stop smoking services.

YANBU.

It's fucking grim sitting outside a nice cafe surrounded by drug addicts.

A lot of the cafes in town now have no smoking signs on the tables outside. Vote with your feet

YANBU 🚭

Pencils as I said earlier, on a small level on our Main Street the busiest pub is the one who has a non-smoking beer garden.

The same consortium owns a second and that is also going to move to non-smoking in the beer garden. The owner of a third is planning on following the business model once he has provided a smoking shelter on the front by the road.

Found some data Lancashire stop smoking services have success rates well below average. Table 4.5 is interesting - success rates by type of pharmacotherapy for each region. 'unlicenced NCP' = ecigs.

Of course these are success rates at 4 weeks and success is counted as not having smoked since 2 weeks after quit date - so smoke free for a grand total of 2 weeks. It's very hard to get data on longer term follow up. NHS don't tend to collect that because they know there's a shockingly high relapse rate.

If landlords wish to make premises non smoking and it improves business then that's fine but I don't think it necessarily follows that it would work financially or socially for all pubs.

Well then what's the problem Jacques? Sounds like you have plenty of smoke free choices.

Personally I'd ban the sale of cigarettes entirely. Certainly smoking in public is revolting for non addicts.

Well then what's the problem Jacques? Sounds like you have plenty of smoke free choices

Well don't you ever venture away from where you live......? It isn't exactly "plenty of smoke free choices" if I am not on my tiny High Street. My point is that pubs are noticing that they don't need the beer gardens to be full of smoke to make profit. As part of my job I am helping other business in the area realise this. I would really love to aim to be the first "smoke free" High Street in terms of venues.

I might like to be on holiday and eat somewhere smoke free. In fact we've just been away to Europe and the complex we were on was completely smoke free apart from a grim little bit of decking by the bins. It was blissful.

Ohhh so you have a professional interest in this?

If pubs are finding it profitable to provide smoke free gardens then they are perfectly at liberty to do so. When I go somewhere new I look for vape friendly pubs. Smokers are likely to look for pubs with nice outdoor areas they can have a drink and a fag. Isn't it great how we are all different and how the market can adapt to different customers?

apart from a grim little bit of decking by the bins.

Treating people like they are rubbish doesn't generally encourage them to care about their health, let alone other people's. I don't know what your job is but I very much hope it's nothing connected to public health.

I couldn't care less whether a pub is smoke free. I'm looking for different things in a pub.

I may possibly avoid a smoke free pub (despite not being a smoker) because of the marketing direction it has chosen. It says it's not a pub

Incidentally when I was a smoker I never blew smoke in people's faces. I never blew smoke anywhere. I exhaled. Blowing implies a deliberate act and only one person on this thread has described anything that could remotely be described as blowing smoke in their face

Ohhh so you have a professional interest in this?

Not really as such. I have a community interest more. One of the things I have started through my work is a non-for-profit community town group which basically works to help out all things to do with my area. I put events on a website, promote community events for free. I have no vested interest financially - I don't get a bean for the advice/help/events I do with the community/local businesses. Currently I'm working with a number of local businesses on how we can improve the High Street in terms of footfall, general appearance etc

I'm not sure why you think a holiday complex has a responsibility to care about people's health other than the basic health and safety of its guests?

Wow!
Yes - I am one of the eeeeeeevil smokers! Mwahahha!
FFS - we really are the most despised people in society.
I agree that smokers should be considerate, and I am. Even if smoking outside, I move far away from other people unless they are also smoking.
Don't attack the boozers though, even though their habit has a far more destructive effect on those around them. Town centres and A&E wards, especially at weekends don't tend to be full of aggressive, puking, damaged people because somebody smoked one too many fags.
But I'm sure that all the self-righteous folks on here live like saints, perfect and healthy in every way.

Pencils - it's ridiculous. Sorry to say I ignored it and vaped. People are still smoking on the grounds but because there's no smoking area they're just dotted around and there's cigarette ends everywhere on the floor
It just made me really, really cross. My doctor is happy I'm a non smoker, and the surgeon at that hospital too

Why do smokers not consider how disgusting it is to simply throw their fag ends away? It is litter and disgusting. Find a bin, take care of your own garbage.
A neighbour told me yesterday that his friend on leaving the local pub was slapped with an £80 fine for throwing his dog end on the pavement. Well done local authority!

simiisme I agree with your last post here! It's very sancatmonious... and I notice that all smokers are being attacked here... not just the inconsiderate ones.
Not all smokers chuck their ends on the floor. Nor do they all stand around blowing smoke in people's faces!

I've said this before on smoking threads, but I'll say it again. You should be thanking us really, not only are we net tax contributors in our lifetime as a result of our habit, we do the decent thing and fuck off at a reasonable age too, rather than hanging around as non-productive members of society soaking up pension funds, care budgets and housing equity.

On a purely utilitarian level we're doing you all a massive favour.

And you can't cope with a bit of smoke when you're enjoying your alfresco lunch?

You're not thinking long-term enough there. You should be posistively encouraging us.

I see at as a public service really. You can thank me later (I won't be here to receive the accolades, but do spare a thought for my sacrifce when you pension isn't as shit as it might have been).

A neighbour told me yesterday that his friend on leaving the local pub was slapped with an £80 fine for throwing his dog end on the pavement. Well done local authority!

DS has seen several people pounced on by wardens around New St. in Birmingham, with police being called if they start playing up.

Personally, when it comes to littering, I think £80 is far too lenient. Summary execution is more appropriate.

And this is one ofbthe problems with systems like the NHS (I am by and large a big fan), but, when lifestyle choices come with costly consequences we then have a situation where people feel quite free to sit in judgement of other people's choices as it negatively impacts them (either directly through the wallet, or as a result of overstretched services).

And then it becomes a moral issue, whether it be eating, drinking, smoking, dangerous sports or any other high-risk activity, we have a circumstance where shame and societal obligations come into play in governing the behaviour of individuals. Which I think is a dangerous game to start playing.