To think it will serve some smokers right if outdoor smoking is banned

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Yesterday a friend and I were sitting outside a cafe in a park (no indoor seating) having a coffee. We were the only people there as it was late in the afternoon. A couple sat at the table right beside us and proceeded to light up and enjoy a couple of cigarettes with their coffee.

I was sitting at the bus shelter a couple of evenings ago and a guy sat down beside me and proceeded to light a cigarette. I got up and walked a few feet away and stood until the bus came. He just smoked away, oblivious.

There was a long queue at the ATM today as several in the area weren't working. A woman smoked away in front of me and around loads of other people as we all waited for our turn.

Surely, just because smoking isn't illegal out of doors, it doesn't mean smokers don't have to show any consideration of cop on towards others.

AIBU to think that some smokers (and I know it's only some) will have only themselves to blame if smoking out of doors is eventually made illegal?

I am very very anti-smoking when it comes to me smoking but if people want to stink and destroy their lungs then that's their lookout.

However, I do think it's very rude to sit down next to someone and light up, it happens to me a fair amount when I am sat in the local
park eating my lunch on my lunch break. It's not hard to move one bench up FFS. I do think some smokers need to realise their addiction has a negative effect on others and they should try to minimise that as much as possible. I.e don't light up stood/sat next to someone and don't leave cigarette butts on the floor. Not rocket science.

lurking but the last 10 years (approx) of smokers is likely to be very expensive isn't it?
Death from smoking isn't always a quick couple of months of Lung Ca.
People get sicker earlier and can rumble on for decades.
Hence all those 'my dear old dad smoked 80 a day and lived till he was 90' comments.
They neglect to mention that DOD had to take early retirement due to his chest and spent the next 40 years collecting smoking related ailments and his Dear Old Wife had to look after him thus impacting seriously on her own physical and mental health.
Given how expensive chemo and radiotherapy are and how much it costs to care for someone with vascular disease I am really surprised that smokers are apparently cost negative.

Some chemos cost £1k per injection.

It's selfish to not want to be disrupted by other people's dirty habits when standing outside, a habit that is annoying to others, makes them ill, makes them smell and gets in their eyes? Right-o

I used to enjoy smoking before MN, but wow the feeling of elation I get when I'm sitting outside a cafe in summer I also do it in winter but I dont see any of you whinging cunts then having a smoke knowing that some people are getting pissy about it, so thank you MN for making my pleasure from smoking even greater

Mission - but most people like sitting outside to eat in the summer on a nice day, it doesn't sound unreasonable to me to want to be able to do that without risking people lighting up around you and the ensuing smell. Why can't smokers and non smokers all sit outside and eat together, and smokers just go off away from the eating area to have their cigarette?

mission that's very odd logic, even if you did use the word 'ergo' to make it sound like a simple cause and effect! The outside area of a cafe isn't 'for smokers'; it's just that their nasty habit has to be tolerated there, due to a lack of any legislation to date. Non-smokers should be able to sit outside; it's an area for them as much as for anyone. But they are driven away by a small minority's toxic habit. How you've managed to make out that it's everyone else, and not the people bringing airborne poison to a cafe, who is selfish is quite remarkable!

Greentulips I think you misunderstood that point about a non-smoker having paid for their food; no one is saying smokers eat for free; they're saying smokers are limiting other paying customers' enjoyment of a service they have paid for.

Justanother Wow. That's big and clever.

YANBU. People who smoke - however lovely they may be - are disgusting to be around. No consideration for smoke blowing into people's faces, littering the floor with their butts and oblivious to just how bad they smell! There really is no reason to smoke these days.

I really really reeeeeeally hope outdoor smoking is banned one day!

It does seem a little unfair that if you want to sit outside, you are expected to endure cigarette smoke while you're eating.

I think there should be smoking and non smoking areas outside. Yes, non smokers will still get a bit of smoke, but outdoor areas will be more pleasant for them. Presently, (many- not all) smokers appear to consider beer gardens etc., as 'their territory', negating the need for common consideration of non smokers.

It is selfish. "I don't like it so I think it's within my right to make people stop doing it". Smoking is banned inside, so smokers smoke outside. Duh. If I don't like someone doing something near me, I'd move.

"I don't like it so I think it's within my right to make people stop doing it"

Does this also not apply when smokers stop others eating or enjoying themselves?

Mission, so you wouldn't feel aggrieved if someone at the next table was burping and farting as you ate, you'd just placidly move even if it was to a markedly less good table next to the heat of the kitchen or a drafty window in the winter?

As a smoker, I don't think you are being unreasonable. I never smoke around other people and if the smoke starts heading towards them I will move again. If I'm smoking and someone comes and stands/sits near me knowing I'm smoking I still move away unless they are smoking themselves.

Does this also not apply when smokers stop others eating or enjoying themselves?

Someone smoking near you doesn't stop you physically eating and if you're not enjoying it, then move.

Mission, so you wouldn't feel aggrieved if someone at the next table was burping and farting as you ate, you'd just placidly move even if it was to a markedly less good table next to the heat of the kitchen or a drafty window in the winter?

Yes, I would feel aggrieved. But, like smoking (outside) burping or farting is not against the law. If it was bothering me that much, I'd ask to be reseated, yes. I wouldn't act like the reactions throughout this thread; gagging and getting napkins to cover my nose or use my partners coat as a shield If someone kept farting at a table near you, what would you do in that situation, may I ask? Shout "YOU STOP THAT FARTING RIGHT NOW"?

Someone smoking near you doesn't stop you physically eating and if you're not enjoying it, then move

Of course it does, eating with a gob full of smoke is not pleasant.

Smoker are the ones bringing the habit outdoors, why should everyone else move?!

I'd probably not say anything as I'm a wuss, I'd move and feel exactly as annoyed as I would moving because of a smoker.

Loads of things are legal but inconsiderate of others, and I think smoking where people are eating is one of them.

As an asthmatic with cigarette smoke being my biggest trigge

Ahh happy sigh

Man you lot are fab, much better than the last smoking thread.

I can't believe what selfish people there are on this thread.
I completely agree, but I don't think we are talking about the same ones.

I wonder how people like JustAnotherPoster00 will react when I start changing my baby nappies on the table. Well, if you don't like the smell of baby poop, you can also move, can't you?

Smoker are the ones bringing the habit outdoors, why should everyone else move?!

I think you'll find it was the law that did that.

yanbu

It will soon be banned in pubic places like other countries. Several pubs near me have already done so in their beer gardens.

I sympathise with the addiction but the rights of the many with regard to their health outweigh the rights of the few. There simply is no justification to smoke next to strangers enjoying a meal.

I think you'll find it was the law that did that

As a PP has pointed out, banning smokers indoors doesn't mean non-smokers were banned from the outdoors. It's common courtesy to not be a dick and smoke around people eating and enjoying themselves and I don't believe you're a non smoker

mission can't you see that your definition of selfish is batshit?? Everyone else is just getting along, eating outside at a place that's for, umm, eating- then one Very Important Smoker comes along, knowing full well that most people consider their habit repulsive, especially around food, and yet all the other paying customers are supposed to quietly move away??

Who even smokes now, anyway?

mission can't you see that your definition of selfish is batshit?? Everyone else is just getting along, eating outside at a place that's for, umm, eating- then one Very Important Smoker comes along, knowing full well that most people consider their habit repulsive, especially around food, and yet all the other paying customers are supposed to quietly move away??

No I can't.

If you can create a scenario, so can I: VIS's (Very Important Smokers) are sat outside, enjoying their meal outside that's a place for umm, smoking legally and just getting along when some non-VIS's come along and sit down and start enjoying their meal. VIS's have now finished their meal and start smoking. Who should move?

and I don't believe you're a non smoker

You don't have to strikethrough, I don't smoke. Ex-smoker here.

Ahh but there's a flaw there, mission - it's not a place for smoking. It's a place for eating. Smoking is tolerated in much the same way as any other personal foible. If the VISs behave considerately, it's most likely not an issue. If they come over all entitled, well, that's another story...

The smokers should move. Twist it every which way, they're still the ones bringing a smelly, annoying and disruptive habit (which they can help, unlike some people who smell) to a communal area, smokers should always move.

Saying "it's legal" - so what, it's still rank for non-smokers. It's common courtesy.