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To think MILs 'help' is a step too far?

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Ramona87 · 06/07/2017 07:58

My MIL and I get on well and whilst she has some ways that I find strange and sometimes annoying I've never (and would never) vocalise this to her as would hate to offend her. I can talk to her about most things and we go generally have a relatively close relationship.
Bit of background, MIL and FIL look after my DS twice a week in our home when I'm at work part time which I'm extremely grateful for and DS loves the pair of them dearly. MIL takes it upon herself to help out, doing ironing, changing bins, often rearranging our furniture so that it is 'less cluttered', or replacing random items in our home for things she feels are better. Whilst I am appreciative of the sentiment I often feel that some of this 'help' is not her place to do. And she should respect us and our choices about our home a little more, regardless of her own opinion.
So a few days ago I came home from work really ill, I'd gotten that Norovirus and was vomiting and the other thing. They were at home with DS and kindly told me to go and have a lie down upstairs and they would stay until they normally would a few hours later when DP got in from work, so I gratefully did this. The day after was my day off anyway, but MIL again kindly offered to help out if I wasn't feeling good, and said she was picking her other DGD (DPs niece) up from school (which is in our town, she lives around 45 mins away) so she would be around anyway. The next morning after she text me to ask if I needed her to take DS out for an hour or so before she picked other DGD up from school I accepted, on the premise that she wouldn't be making a special trip. She turned up and immediately said she had cancelled picking up other grandson from school incase she passed anything onto him, and brought with her anti bacterial surface and floor wipes, bleach, and hand sanitiser. I thanked her for this and was grateful for her help. She then said she had brought some of her own bedding and towels from her own cupboard to replace ours with, and that she was going to take our current ones back home with her to wash. Again I thanked her but told her we did have other bedding so was no need for us to use hers, and that washing it ourselves was no problem, but she insisted and took all of the towels from our bathroom and started stripping my bed. As I knew she was trying to help I just allowed her to do it. She then started saying our bedding needed throwing out and we needed new ones, and commenting on the fact that 'you don't change your bedding very often- I do mine twice a week, so I don't mind helping'. I was mortified. I felt so embarrassed that she was passing judgement on our bedding, and find it odd that she even goes into our bedroom enough to notice how often we change it. It was obvious I felt offended and she said "hope I'm not interfering" to which I bit my tongue and told her she was not. But the more I think about it the more I think this is the equivalent of me going to a family members or friends house, and cleaning saying "you don't clean enough and I don't mind doing it", I feel it's insulting despite her intention to 'help'. She is a very fussy woman who has a tendency to go over the top, she always says things like "I just have to help people" but I feel sometimes it's not a help at all it's a bit backhanded. Or am I being over sensitive and whingey?!

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KimmySchmidt1 · 06/07/2017 09:57

Its complex with older women, particularly if they have been a "traditional" mother (ie do not exist in the world, have no job) because they begin to feel pointless when their children become adults, and their children having children gives them a status and use again.

I place no value whatsoever on housework or being houseproud - I pay people to do that for me - so if someone else wants feels more alive by doing it for me then I couldn't give a rats arse.

But next time she rumbles in your bed sheets you might just say "there's cum and allsorts on there, i'd rather you didn't rummage around in it to be honest".

that sort of blunt but realistic illustration of her over stepping boundaries should bring her up short.

SchadenfreudePersonified · 06/07/2017 09:58

Let her win this one.

Your kids are healthy and active (and I assume your DH is too), so you aren't that bad a wife/mother.

She's trying to be helpful - her standards are different to yours*. I'd bite it back and maybe just remark how you would prefer it if she kept out of your bedroom as it is private space.

*I change my bedding once a week as well, but there have been occasions when it has gone a long way over that . . .

SchadenfreudePersonified · 06/07/2017 09:59

BTW - tha paragraph is your friend.

It's very hard to read a large block of unbroken text.

Ramona87 · 06/07/2017 09:59

Kimmy ShockGrin I think she'd faint if I said that to her!

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Ramona87 · 06/07/2017 10:01

schaden point taken! My bad

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SaveMeBarry · 06/07/2017 10:03

I have on occasion but I feel that it comes across wrong and makes a big deal out of it

That there is your problem though isn't it? It's the same for most of us - we feel uncomfortable raising an issue, we're worried about hurting someone's feelings. I used to be this way too but over the years I've learned that being assertive and being rude are two very different things. It is not rude to have boundaries, it's healthy. You are not making a big deal of anything if you express annoyance that someone threw away your property. Also, you do realise that Mil isn't worried that you might find her rude is she?

SchadenfreudePersonified · 06/07/2017 10:04

Thanks Ramona

It's my old, broken eyes I'm afraid. Smile

WhatchaMaCalllit · 06/07/2017 10:08

Ah, so you have raised this with your DP but he either doesn't want to address it with his mother or fix it himself so he sees it as an easy option to disregard your opinion on the overstepping.
Talk it over with your DP and say that he either fixes the moved furniture etc before you get home or he talks to his mother and says "We don't like it when our furniture is moved around, can you please stop moving our furniture?" or "We change our bedding as frequently as we feel is necessary for us so it would be helpful if you didn't pass comment on this as it does cause offence and you are interfering in things that really don't concern you" or something like that.
DP needs to step up and sort it out

Anatidae · 06/07/2017 10:10

No I don't think leave it. It's clearly harming what could be a good relationship.

Put your boundaries down every time. If there's a mug missing, ask her where it is and mention you liked that one it was a gift.

You dont need to fall out over this, but you do need to assert your boundaries

Calvinlookingforhobbs · 06/07/2017 10:14

I wish I had an MIL like this.

Nanny0gg · 06/07/2017 10:15

Why because they do 'free childcare' does the OP have to suck anything up??

I look after my DGCs and I wouldn't dream of going into the parents' homes and rearranging furniture or replacing items, or commenting on their personal habits!

It's not kind it's intrusive and they've no right to do it.

And OP - next time if she asks you if you mind - be honest and say Yes! You can be nice about it but stop putting up with her behaviour.It's not her house!

Nanny0gg · 06/07/2017 10:16

NOT!

TheHeartOfTeFiti · 06/07/2017 10:18

Sounds great apart from the moving furniture & replacing items! I'd just move furniture & items back and hope she took the hint

pictish · 06/07/2017 10:19

I agree that you should say, "Can I ask you to leave our bedroom undisturbed? I'm not comfortable with anyone going in there as it feels a very private space to me. It's not personal against you at all...I wouldn't want my own mum in there either. Just...you know, it's private. If you don't mind?"

Bet she'll be fine with it.

grasspigeons · 06/07/2017 10:19

I'm with you on the bedroom. I'm a bit funny about People going in my bedroom and replacing stuff is a bit annoying. Everything else I'd be a bit more forgiving. With norovirus I'd love anyone prepared to Sanitise my home and look after my kids.

CardinalCat · 06/07/2017 10:24

Regardless of how wonderful she is (or isn't- who knows what her motives are for doing what she does) the point is that it makes the OP feel very uncomfortable, and that is not OK. I would hate this. I would rather pay for the childcare than tolerate somebody undermining me so blatantly (regardless of their kind intent) in my own home.

Also, I assume that she actively enjoys spending two days a week with her DGC. It's not like you're begging her to do it, and it doesn't give her carte blanche to do things which, tbh, are a bit bizarre. and not her place to do.

I'm afraid I would have to say something. If your relationship is close, as you say, then surely it can withstand an honest, heartfelt, conversation about this. All you have to say is something like 'I know our house isn't perfect and it's a bit cluttered and disorganised compared to yours, but we are very proud of it as it is. It is our imperfect haven. I know that everything you do is well meant and kind, but it makes me feel a little bit insecure and chastised when you move things around and change things. I know that you would never ever wish to offend, which is why I am saying this, but I would love it if you spent your time here enjoying having fun with the GC, and left things like the furniture and bedsheets for me to deal with. I know that you won't mind me saying this because you know how much I love you and value your help.'

if she throws a wobbler at that, then she is not your friend.

Sushi123 · 06/07/2017 10:26

She's overstepped the mark - but it might be easier just to let it slide!
(Who the fuck changes their bedding twice a week though!)

strikealight · 06/07/2017 10:35

She's bee great while you were poorly but she has overstepped the mark.

SaveMeBarry · 06/07/2017 10:41

Sushi it's never easier to let these things slide, not in the long term. It might seem that way because it avoids the discomfort of having a discussion but as time goes on many people realise that addressing these things at an earlier stage would have done wonders for their stress levels and family relationships.

Honestly I have a family member like this and for years and years listened to "oh but he means well" or "best not say anything, you'll hurt his feelings" and "oh you know what he's like". Basically suck it up don't cause a fuss. So the dominant person who believes their way/preference/opinion is the important one carries on behaving that way and over time keeps pushing a little bit more and then another little bit until you feel suffocated by them.

user1499333856 · 06/07/2017 10:46

Unfortunately this happens when responsibilities become blurred and firm boundaries are not put in place. We have accepted a lot of free childcare and help from MIL and FIL. All given with love and all gratefully received but there are occasions when everyone needs to respect the other's space. I have a very caring MIL and in the end it started to impact the relationship with my children. That's when you have to decide what you can tolerate in terms of help versus interference. We chose to do more by ourselves and reset the dynamic. It wasn't liked at first but had to be done for our sanity and family life.

Speak up. Push back. Accept that if you take help then you open the door to interference.

mydogisthebest · 06/07/2017 10:51

So because the OP gets free childcare she has to put up with HER house being rearranged and HER household items being replaced? Also rude unnecessary comments about how often she changes her bed?

propertyvirgin · 06/07/2017 10:53

not read whole thread but I totally disagree that giving you free child care is in some way a trade to massively over step boundaries and diminish your own place in your own home, ie that of someone who chooses to have it how you want!

No its not on. You can be simultaneously extremely grateful and thankful for her help whilst saying " I would prefer if it you left our belongings in the house as I have chosen to put them. Mil would you mind if I came to your home to pass judgment and re arrange? I feel changing sheets twice a week is unnecessary and excessive. "

Its not a price you pay at all. I feel its odd there is this idea on here you can get treated like dirt because you get something!!!!

propertyvirgin · 06/07/2017 10:55

ps mil threw away my best pillow just after the birth of my DD.

I have never been able to replace it and I have massive neck/migrane issues.

propertyvirgin · 06/07/2017 11:03

KimmySchmidt1 Thu 06-Jul-17 09:57:44

^^ Grin hilarious! But you also make very good points, re seeing a role for themselves again.

museumum · 06/07/2017 11:07

Just say things when they happen - that's not confrontational or rocking the boat, it's when things build up and then you have 'a big chat' that it's a bit awkward. Casually saying the truth at the time is not.

e.g. 'I was sick last night too, must have been from the bedding'
'Oh no, I did say you should have left it for me, I wish you had let me keep it and wash it here'

'I like choosing my own bedding'

'I prefer the furniture like it was because it works better for us'.

etc.

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