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To think MILs 'help' is a step too far?

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Ramona87 · 06/07/2017 07:58

My MIL and I get on well and whilst she has some ways that I find strange and sometimes annoying I've never (and would never) vocalise this to her as would hate to offend her. I can talk to her about most things and we go generally have a relatively close relationship.
Bit of background, MIL and FIL look after my DS twice a week in our home when I'm at work part time which I'm extremely grateful for and DS loves the pair of them dearly. MIL takes it upon herself to help out, doing ironing, changing bins, often rearranging our furniture so that it is 'less cluttered', or replacing random items in our home for things she feels are better. Whilst I am appreciative of the sentiment I often feel that some of this 'help' is not her place to do. And she should respect us and our choices about our home a little more, regardless of her own opinion.
So a few days ago I came home from work really ill, I'd gotten that Norovirus and was vomiting and the other thing. They were at home with DS and kindly told me to go and have a lie down upstairs and they would stay until they normally would a few hours later when DP got in from work, so I gratefully did this. The day after was my day off anyway, but MIL again kindly offered to help out if I wasn't feeling good, and said she was picking her other DGD (DPs niece) up from school (which is in our town, she lives around 45 mins away) so she would be around anyway. The next morning after she text me to ask if I needed her to take DS out for an hour or so before she picked other DGD up from school I accepted, on the premise that she wouldn't be making a special trip. She turned up and immediately said she had cancelled picking up other grandson from school incase she passed anything onto him, and brought with her anti bacterial surface and floor wipes, bleach, and hand sanitiser. I thanked her for this and was grateful for her help. She then said she had brought some of her own bedding and towels from her own cupboard to replace ours with, and that she was going to take our current ones back home with her to wash. Again I thanked her but told her we did have other bedding so was no need for us to use hers, and that washing it ourselves was no problem, but she insisted and took all of the towels from our bathroom and started stripping my bed. As I knew she was trying to help I just allowed her to do it. She then started saying our bedding needed throwing out and we needed new ones, and commenting on the fact that 'you don't change your bedding very often- I do mine twice a week, so I don't mind helping'. I was mortified. I felt so embarrassed that she was passing judgement on our bedding, and find it odd that she even goes into our bedroom enough to notice how often we change it. It was obvious I felt offended and she said "hope I'm not interfering" to which I bit my tongue and told her she was not. But the more I think about it the more I think this is the equivalent of me going to a family members or friends house, and cleaning saying "you don't clean enough and I don't mind doing it", I feel it's insulting despite her intention to 'help'. She is a very fussy woman who has a tendency to go over the top, she always says things like "I just have to help people" but I feel sometimes it's not a help at all it's a bit backhanded. Or am I being over sensitive and whingey?!

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LionsOnTour · 06/07/2017 08:51

BTW. Perhaps before speaking with her you should have a careful think about what you are and are not happy for her to help you with. It would be better if you were clear about what things it is that she does that you would like her to stop doing.
For example, you don't like her tidying up but does that mean you don't want to tidy up after she has looked after your DC all day. Would you really want to come home to a messy house after a day's work? I know I wouldn't. .....but then if you 'allow' her to do that then it might confuse the message

pinkpetrol · 06/07/2017 08:52

This sounds like my Mother in law and i accepted the help and felt awkward about speaking to her about when she continuously overstepped the mark. She is a domineering personality and has an opinion about everything but isnt very bright. She also did child care (we could have afforded to pay but she really wanted to do it). Fast forward a few years and she increasingly overstepped boundaries, contradicting what i would tell the children to do, organising the house to her standards (implying i am not capable), culminating in the last time she visited I caught her she telling tales to my husband about my slovenly housekeeping (she unscrewed the bath plugs and found mould, the oven wasn't up to her standards etc). I was very angry and she wasn't allowed to visit for a few months.
In hindsight i should have put the boundaries down right at the start and forcefully established "My house My rules and you are being rude".

Ramona87 · 06/07/2017 08:54

And thanks origami it does sound like we're in very similar positions. Tbh it would be better for me for PIL to have DS in their home but it's more convenient for everyone else that they come here. It is something I've suggested to DP before.
That's usually my sentiment too, it won't be like this forever is what I try to tell myself. And when they're in school she can just be lovely MIL and Nanna again!

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Enidblyton1 · 06/07/2017 08:54

My Mil is similar, and whilst occasionally I have to bite my lip, on the whole I love it!
I understand your annoyance about the bed sheets, but it sounds like she more than makes up for it by being incredibly helpful.

RadioGaGoo · 06/07/2017 08:57

Interesting idea that 'free childcare' should turn Mumsnetters into meek little lambs.

Introvertedbuthappy · 06/07/2017 08:59

Fuck me, I'd happily turn into a "meek little lamb" including frolicking and bleating if necessary to save me the £1143 a month I have to spend on childcare.

hackmum · 06/07/2017 09:02

Am amazed at the number of people who say they would welcome this behaviour. I would absolutely hate it - it completely oversteps the mark. Who goes into another person's house and criticises their bedding or the frequency with which they change it?

It's not a quid pro quo - the fact that she is kind enough to help out doesn't give her the right to interfere in the OP's domestic arrangements.

Introvertedbuthappy · 06/07/2017 09:08

Well maybe then OP could pay for childcare herself and thus be free of the terrible burden of free loving childcare for her child. I get that what she said oversteps the mark, but honestly some people take the support they have for granted.

SaveMeBarry · 06/07/2017 09:08

I think over time you have allowed her to do little things here and there that weren't really her place to do yet, be honest, it suits to shrug your shoulders and think "oh well, I suppose it saves us a job". No doubt she's well meaning but she's become so comfortable in your home and her interactions with you that she has started overstepping. The little things become bigger things, you feel awkward saying anything and she assumes it's fine and acceptable. And you and DP have been letting it go.

It's all very well for posters to say they'd love all that help but in my experience it can be a slippery slope with the person "helping" becoming over bearing and those being "helped" gradually getting more fed up but feeling unable to say anything because the person means well. It's great to have help and support from parents/ILs but boundaries are needed here before you become one of those posters who feels ready to explode with frustration at the thought of being in their mils company!

muddlefuck · 06/07/2017 09:10

She sounds amazing! I'll happily swap my sour faced MIL for yours

clarabellski · 06/07/2017 09:10

Hehe, I've got a MIL AND a mother who do this! No amount of telling them to stop has worked.

It's annoying but one of those first world problems I've learned to live with.

Ramona87 · 06/07/2017 09:12

savemebarry I would completely agree with all of that. That's exactly what's happened.
intoverted some people may take their free childcare for granted. I definitely do not, hence why I allow/have allowed the overstepping to carry on.

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Introvertedbuthappy · 06/07/2017 09:17

Well then start paying for professional childcare and put boundaries in place.

orchardroad · 06/07/2017 09:18

I don't think you are being unreasonable. My MIL is similar. Always wanting to help but it can be quite intrusive and she always has an ulterior motive.

I think the free childcare issue can cloud some people's judgement. In my case, my MIL would be very offended and devastated if we did not accept an offer of free childcare. She would never accept payment and she would never accept 'no thanks' either. Luckily we live too far away. Just because a doting grandparent is desperate to look after their dgc doesn't mean we have to be eternally grateful for their help and accept any intrusion on their part. Obviously this isn't the case for every gp.

You do sound grateful for the childcare and the help around the home and you do sound like you wants to keep a really good relationship with your MIL. I would try to work up the courage to mention what you aren't comfortable with with - but pick your battles! Decide what really bothers you.

SaveMeBarry · 06/07/2017 09:24

I don't think you sound like you take her help for granted Op, as others have said it's a real MN thing for some posters to think you should suck up whatever is thrown at you if you get some free child care. It's absolute bollox of course and is only because some posters allow their resentment at high child care costs (I have those too!) to colour their view.

It seems to me you have a good relationship with her at the moment but if you don't address the overstepping things will deteriorate fast. Just because someone means well doesn't mean you have to go along with them. Say no.
No mil, we'll do our own laundry thanks.
No mil, we prefer the furniture as it was.
No mil, I like (x item) and didn't need a new one, you can take that one home. And so on.

Doesn't need to be a row, polite but firm Smile

PrimalLass · 06/07/2017 09:35

I mean this very kindly, although it's going sound rather blunt - if you are not paying her then you need to just suck this up.

You really don't. It doesn't give your MIL the right to move furniture about and throw your things out. You just have to find a way of asking her not to.

228agreenend · 06/07/2017 09:39

I think she is overstepping the boundaries.

It's very generous of her to wash the bedding, when you have been I'll.

However, to comment on how often you wash it, you need new stuff, rearrange stuff, declutter etc is way too much.. What do you do when she replaces stuff or rearranges stuff? From now onwards, you need to assert your authority, and return it to it's former state, thank mil for her suggestions, but say you prefer it your way.

pictish · 06/07/2017 09:40

She sounds nice if a little over invested. She did ask and you chickened out of being honest. She's not a mind reader.
Bring it up but be pleasant. By the sounds of it she'll take it well.

Sugarpiehoneyeye · 06/07/2017 09:43

On the whole, you sound to have a great relationship with your MIL.
Yes, she has overstepped the mark, but I don't believe with malice.
The good she does, far outweighs the not so good.
Try and let it go over your head, as you say, your little boy will soon be at school.
If she should ask again, if she has offended you, say yes, no need for harsh words or fallouts, just tell her how you feel.

StaplesCorner · 06/07/2017 09:49

I hope I get the privilege of helping out my kids with the grandchildren, and I hope if I do anything like this they tell me not to be so rude and intrusive. But then I am not an entitled arse.

Anatidae · 06/07/2017 09:49

Good fences make good neighbours.

Next time she does something like that you say something like 'you know I really appreciate all your help. At the same time (never say but!) I did like that cushion you replaced. I'd prefer it if you didn't replace stuff/go in the bedroom etc. I know you're trying to help and we are grateful, at the same time I am quite private so I will do the bedding.'

Then change the subject.

Gentle boundaries every time. Be firm. She doesn't sound like an utter horror but just a bit too keen. Replacing things in your house is never ok.
Be upset and mention you were attached to the next thing she replaces. Smile and say we are happy with how often we change the sheets mil, and you never know what you might find in a bedroom wink wink.

Just boundaries boundaries boundaries. Your relationship will be better for it, keep thanking her for the genuinely good things she does and keep putting your foot down in the things that go too far.

SnotGoblin · 06/07/2017 09:49

I can see that you would find the 'you don't change your linen' comment a bit off but if she said it to me, I'd simply laugh and agree with her because life's too short and I don't care what someone thinks of me over the frequency of a linen change.

I'd be more annoyed at the furniture rearranging and item swapping but would just laugh her off as bonkers over the bedsheets. If she's judging you, it will only annoy you if you let it.

Ramona87 · 06/07/2017 09:51

I think a lot of the problem with me addressing such issues is that I only see her in the morning before I leave for work. DP gets home before me and by the time I get home from work they are gone. She does these things around our home in the day when we're at work, so there's never really a time that I can address these things with her soon as I see them, unless I text her, which I have on occasion but I feel that it comes across wrong and makes a big deal out of it if I did that too often. DP would NEVER address these things, or even notice them tbh Hmm. I've told him the things that annoy me with regards to furniture etc, and have asked him to move them back before I get in, so I will never know! But he usually forgets and the rearrangements are usually there to greet me on my arrival!

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toomuchtooold · 06/07/2017 09:52

Did anyone in the history of the world ever ask "I hope I'm not interfering, am I?" and expect to get told if they were, in fact, interfering? I don't know how you can possibly answer that question in the affirmative without causing offence.

chocatoo · 06/07/2017 09:56

You are lucky - your MIL sounds great. I think I would have run a mile from norovirus and she stepped in! I think she was a bit naughty to mention the bedding but she must realise she is in the minority changing them so often...surely! I'd let it wash over you but maybe when the time is right just gently say that you felt a bit embarassed by her comment. I am sure that she really values the relationship she has with you - enjoy it!