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Should babies be assigned a sex at birth or choose their own

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bambambini · 02/07/2017 20:12

Is that where we are heading? Following a twitter conversation that touched on identity politics. what do folk really make of this stuff? mobile.twitter.com/AsiaKateDillon/status/881501055657414659

Should babies be assigned a sex at birth or choose their own
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StickThatInYourPipe · 02/07/2017 21:59

So where do you sit on this OP?

WhiteMane · 02/07/2017 22:00

That's going to become a naice penis beaker line isn't it? 'But they've been on Ellen'.

CherriesInTheSnow · 02/07/2017 22:02

VestalVirgin Thank you, I've been reading up and it does sound very scary - do they not understand how inherently wrong it is to say that it must be down to some prejudice that a woman would not want to have sex with a biological male if she was attracted to women? It's quite a threatening attitude. Confused

*"But you really do have either a willy or a vagina smile"

But again what does this actually mean now? A woman can have a penis, a man a vagina. If you have a penis you can now compete in the women's events in sports. i wonder where non binary athletes will be able to compete.*

No a woman cannot have a biologically natural penis, not a man cannot have gynaecological anatomy the same as a woman. Can you explain why you think this is the case?

alpacasandwich · 02/07/2017 22:03

A woman can have a penis, a man a vagina.

No, they can't.

juneau · 02/07/2017 22:04

Oh god I am so BORED of all this trans bullshit! FGS, genuinely trans people are a teeny, tiny minority of people and the level of visibility of this teeny tiny minority of people is currently insane!!!

What about all the rest of us, who are happy to be male or female, who have no hang ups whatsoever about gender, who are straight or gay or bi or whatever? Could we all please accept that 99.999% of people are perfectly happy with their sex and their gender and stop assuming that we want to jump on this ridiculous bandwagon of right on, politically correct nonsense.

And while we're at it, leave our female and male toilets alone! I don't mind if there is a third gender or no gender toilet, but I don't want anyone with a penis (unless he's under the age of 5), in the women's loos.

SylviaPoe · 02/07/2017 22:04

They can in law.

Mysterycat23 · 02/07/2017 22:04

I met up with an old school friend for the first time in about 10 years while pregnant. I told him it was a boy. His response: "Who are you to impose gender on your child?"

Hmm

I think my reply was something along the lines of penis seen at scan = boy. Utterly bizarre experience.

MrsKCastle · 02/07/2017 22:07

No a woman cannot have a biologically natural penis, not a man cannot have gynaecological anatomy the same as a woman. Can you explain why you think this is the case?

This is what transactions believe. If you were to say the above on public social media, you would get lots of people correcting you and saying that of course a woman can have a penis, anyone who identifies as a woman IS a woman, regardless of their genitalia. Some would correct you politely, others would immediately call you a bigot. If you persisted, you would be likely to receive death and/or rape threats.

This has happened many times.

VestalVirgin · 02/07/2017 22:09

Has anyone thought of the ramifications this would have for the whole 'gender reveal party' industry! Tens of people would be jobless. Won't you think of them?

Eh, they'll be fine, they can sell stuff to parents whose child has decided on a gender. And sell tons more stuff, because there's endless options for self-identified gender!

StrangeLookingParasite · 02/07/2017 22:09

Show some respect please, Asia has been on Ellen and is highly regarded.

Oh look, I still couldn't care less. She's still an idiot.

minionsrule · 02/07/2017 22:10

Can i choose to be a cat?

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bambambini · 02/07/2017 22:12

I once was totally behind Trans idea of being in the wrong body and a man really being a woman on the inside etc. Then i read the IOC ruling and read more gender critical stuff and realised i'm probably now described as gender critical. I'm still not sure if there is a biological explanation for transfolk. I read a timeline earlier from another well followed and influential TW who goes by Zinnia Jones on twitter who also thinks genitals and chromosomes don't define your sex and that straight men who exclude TW and their penises are transphobic bigots. If you find a TW attractive (physically and personality wise) and you find out she has a penis - do you really stop finding her attractive -you found her attractive a few moments earlier. Maybe we are just old and the younger generations will embrace this new thinking.

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SylviaPoe · 02/07/2017 22:12

I'll change my gender if I get a cake and a party.

MagentaRose72 · 02/07/2017 22:14

OP what if they identify as a dolphin though? Grin Methinks more counselling to get people to accept what and who they are .

"Gender neutral" seems, to me, to be a sad thing. It makes me think that the parents are projecting their own gender issues on their kids.

PratStick · 02/07/2017 22:15

Does Asia know that saying your lover might care about your genitals is transphobic?

VestalVirgin · 02/07/2017 22:15

And while we're at it, leave our female and male toilets alone! I don't mind if there is a third gender or no gender toilet, but I don't want anyone with a penis (unless he's under the age of 5), in the women's loos.

Yes, exactly.

But it is not just toilets. Toilets are actually the smaller problem.

This is what it leads to: www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article134353039.html

Male rapists are put into women's prisons, penis and all. And yes, they shower with the women.

The article is somewhat idiotic, speaking of "still biologically male" men, as if that could ever change, but it shows where THINGS ALREADY ARE.

alpacasandwich · 02/07/2017 22:15

If you find a TW attractive (physically and personality wise) and you find out she has a penis - do you really stop finding her attractive -you found her attractive a few moments earlier.

Let me break it down for you.

Straight men are attracted to women. Women have vaginas and breasts.

Girls go through puberty and come out the other side with generally smoother skin, curvier hips, breasts and other biological cues that they own a vagina.

Therefore, a man who sees a person with curvy hips and breasts expects a woman.

A straight man confronted with a penis will back off. Because he is not attracted to men. And men have penises.

PratStick · 02/07/2017 22:16

Gender neutral just means I let my daughter pick the clothes and toys she wants whatever side of the aisle they fall in. And that I never say 'boys do this' or 'girls do that'

It could just as easily be called good parenting

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 02/07/2017 22:18

OP is clearly being sarcastic and trolling. Isn't she? (Or he)

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 02/07/2017 22:19

X post with op. Phew :)

BeyondDrinksAndKnowsThings · 02/07/2017 22:20

(And yes, to the person who asked upthread - when I had ds2 the hospital definitely gave me a form to hand over to the registrar with "male infant" on it, as I still have it Grin )

Italiangreyhound · 02/07/2017 22:21

1984

VestalVirgin · 02/07/2017 22:21

Maybe we are just old and the younger generations will embrace this new thinking.

They will, and to their detriment.

They will manage to reverse hundreds of years of feminism.

Things will be almost as they were before feminism (perhaps women will still have voting rights unless an excuse is found to remove the voting rights of everyone with an uterus - "hysteria" might be the reason given, after all, the ancient Greek males already knew that women are irrational because of their uteruses), and girls and women will not realize, as they will not be able to name the oppression.

WhiteMane · 02/07/2017 22:22

No cherries they absolutely do understand how wrong it is to demand lesbians service their lady dick, they just don't give a fuck. The exception is the confused young people drawn into this gaslighty bullshit. But for most transactivists they know what they are doing like any other man with a rapist agend does.

VestalVirgin · 02/07/2017 22:24

OP is clearly being sarcastic and trolling. Isn't she? (Or he)

Yes, but sadly, that's an exception. Thousands and thousands of people actually believe that nonsense.

I wonder where the genderists are right now. They usually succeed in having all gender critical threads censored closed for some bullshit reason.

They're rather late, I hope they have all gone to bed.