To think it's inevitable that JC will be PM and TM should just let it happen ASAP

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They are now pretty much at the same popularity and in the years to come there will be millions more Labour voters and millions of Tory voters that will pass away. It's pretty much a done deal right? So why doesn't TM just go now?

Yes OP he did much better than expected - he harnessed the Youth vote. No-one has denied that at all!
Yes, a 1,2% switch to Labour would have won the popular vote (I will happily take your word for that, I haven;t done the maths but the amount is irrelevant) - but SO WHAT.

They nearly won. SO WHAT

Do you see what I'm getting at - you can't re-write history to make it look like Labour won somehow - because they didn't!
They nearly did - but they didn't.

If there is another GE and the result is a minority Labour government (highly likely) would you propose that Labour should resign governance in favour of Conservatives because the result was too close?

Sorry to have to use bold, but you appear to be ignoring previously raised questions on this.

Labour once flew so high, on time for a change, but then things changed, the leader gets stabbed in the back, someone else takes over, there is in fighting, one brother stabs the other in the back, and despite all the polls they lose...

Torys once flew so high, a vote didn't go the way the leader thought and things change, the poll say they will win, it goes wrong, and then need help to keep their heads above water...

And so it goes on, Labour will get their change but not for 5 years, and just SHOULD Brexit work out, the Torys could rise again... you just never know

OP you have got a very simplistic thought process and a clear lack of understanding of how our (your?) political system works

Every point you make ignores a myriad of influencing factors and makes huge sweeping assumptions

The comments you make about aging populations are an example, as others have pointed out that political views shift once people start contributing and understanding financially responsibility

Another example, your 1.2% swing point is irrelevant and no indicator of anything, as we saw, the tories still won significantly more seats on such a small difference in vote share. Luckily we do not have a PR system. In your world, if share of vote actually mattered, Ukip would have won 82 seats in 2015.

The fptp system means that we only get a new emboldened government if the country overwhelmingly wants one, thus protecting normal sensible people from dangerous twisted freaks like corbyn and McDonnell. And that's from someone who has mainly voted Labour all my life.

I haven't read the whole thread, mainly because I cant be arsed. JC lost the election - hopefully he and his supporters will see that for themselves.....The sooner the better

So naive and with such a childish view of how our political system works. sorry to be so blunt , op.

I have to agree OP that you could do with reading a bit on how the political works. it is a very well known phenomenon that left wingers on the whole become more and more conservative (small c) as they age, and this means they become much more likely to also vote Conservative (large C). it is also well known that big and small events can massively sway election results in a completely unpredictable way, hence why so many sitting PMs avoid a head to head debate with the opposition leader near the election.

I'm a Tory voter in my early thirties - go figure!

I'm rather hoping that I won't die off!

The OP may or may not be on shaky Constitutional ground.

But what we do know is that change is coming. Our problems are urgent, unprecedented, and historic. They will not be solved using, immoral, worn-out Tory methods/philosophy.

It is a foregone conclusion. Grasping power now, for their personal gain, and for their seedy financier backers, will only forestall the inevitable.

Our problems are urgent, unprecedented, and historic

Don't be so dramatic. Austerity now is a hangover from completely reckless borrowing under the last Labour government. The poor in this country are still housed, educated, fed, and have free healthcare. Austerity at the moment is nothing compared to the post war years which actually was historic. part of the problem that sees people voting for a maniac like Corbyn is that they have nothing to compare their circumstances with and don't realise how good it is at the monent.

Everyone wants to be a millionaire, people don't want to do basic jobs

Add to this overpopulation due in part to irresponsible immigration under Blair Brown who didn't even keep track of nunbers, putting strain on public services, and a healthy aging population putting unforseen strain on the NHS.

Most intelligent people grasp this and don't fall for that hugely socially divisive rubbish you spouted about bankers. Banking as an industry is a fraction of what it was 10 years ago. It's a simplistic foolish scapegoat for the actual problems I mentioned above. And 14 million people voting Tory implies that they understand this as that's a lot more than a few thousand bankers.

And how is a load of students voting to not have to pay for some of their education even if they use said education to get a better job, any different to your allegations of Tories voting through self interest?

Corbyns politics are forbthe gullible and feeble minded whobwant to follow a dream and have no / little experience of how business or budgets work. His manifesto was pie in the sky and undeliverable. His saying 'don't worry it's costed' is a joke and the majority of the uk have no confidence in the fool

I'm so glad to see that the usually left wing Mumsnet were largely unconvinced by his undeliverable promises

I have seen it discussed that fewer people will switch from lab to con as they get older in future, because owner occupation is and will remain lower in those age bands - it is owning 'wealth' that makes people conservative (very broad summary of the theory!).

I don't think it is wholly true - there have always been people who rent and vote conservative, and I expect huge numbers of owner occupiers voted lab in Tony Blair's elections. But it will be interesting to see what does happen to voting patterns in the future. I also think that there is still a '1970s' effect amongst older voters who are wary of high spending/tax plans because they remember the Winter of Discontent, 20%+ inflation (I know it was high in first year of MT's govt as well!), 98% tax rates and so on. I think there is some truth in the point that younger voters are unaware or less aware of that interesting period! So the need for fiscal conservatism in election manifestos to attract voters may decline as the demography changes.

Oh dear you have riled the tories and got them banging out the same old tired lines OP (which look even less convincing these days)

You sound mad

Are the Corbynistas still convinced that anyone who disagrees with him is a Tory? I thought they might have grown out of that one by now!
IMO You're right about one thing - change is needed desperately. However as has been pointed out upthread the Tories/TM utterly screwed up their election campaign, are ridiculously unpopular and still Labour couldn't win. Nearly doesn't count in the real world, sorry but that's the hard truth.

Yes the did screw up a lot.

I would like to know why grown ups can't discuss differing political opinion without resorting to insults or sarcasm.
We are so lucky to live in a society where we can discuss our political views without fear of persecution and yet I choose not to most of the time for fear of being laughed at or being call a naive loony lefty or whatever. And the amount of times I've seen non Labour voters being attacked is just as bloody annoying and childish! It's like football hooligan mentality 'my team vs your team' and my team won, or your team won but my team is better... when the reality is that probably none of us agree 100% with any one manifesto or politician but we vote for who we believe best represents us.
How on earth we will ever progress as a society until we can have conversations about these things without resorting to behaving lie children I will never know. But it seems to me to be a much bigger issues than anyone one PM or MP or whoever the government will be in 5 years time.

Bloody typos! Hate this phone!

Oh dear you have riled the tories and got them banging out the same old tired lines OP (which look even less convincing these days)

Do you not think it's reasonable for Tory supporters to discuss their views on a MN thread Finally? Seems an odd view.

large portion of msm behind them spreading lies about labour and mainly corbyn

What are the lies? Corbyn's documented history pre-July 2015 is distinctly different from the bizarre Momentum revisions.

I would be interested in hearing some specifics on this too.

Like all hard line political fans, they go very quiet when you point out facts or ask for examples

From the outside looking in. Not from the UK and am a swinging voter.

It kind of appears like TM did her best to lose the election knowing that whoever had to deal with Brexit was going to be very unpopular for a very long time. But she couldn't offload it.

Instead she has had to cobble something together.

Nah that's rubbish I'm afraid. All the polls showed she'd wipe labour out and that's what she went for, also once the impact of Brexit really sinks in, she'd have got a few extra years.

Or when they are cooking and looking after their child

Austerity now is a hangover from completely reckless borrowing under the last Labour government.

Did you miss the bit about it being a global financial crisis? Or just being disingenuous? Austerity has been an ideological choice to enable the redistribution of wealth upwards, its all ready recognised at having strangled the uk growth post 2010 in relation to other countries who didnt go down the same line.

She really wiped them out as they got many more MPs than before. Wow what a wipeout.