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To think it's inevitable that JC will be PM and TM should just let it happen ASAP

523 replies

brexitstolemyfuture · 02/07/2017 20:04

They are now pretty much at the same popularity and in the years to come there will be millions more Labour voters and millions of Tory voters that will pass away. It's pretty much a done deal right? So why doesn't TM just go now?

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Fresh8008 · 07/07/2017 16:09

The reality is lots won't switch to Tory as many don't have pensions, houses or jobs.

Or maybe they will resent paying more taxes just to allow wealthy middle class kids to spend 3 years dossing around at university and will become more conservative. And that is just to mention one tax burden that these people will resent and move them to the right.

Squeegle · 07/07/2017 16:13

Pilates
Theresa May
Boris Johnson
Michael Gove
Credible?

FinallyThroughTheRoof · 07/07/2017 16:35

I guess you approve of disabled people bearing the brunt of the cuts then Pilates

strikealight · 07/07/2017 16:42

You can list as many no hope Tories as you like but JC is not a credible leader. The no hope Tory list just makes it all the more sad that Labour are led by such a useless leader.

FinallyThroughTheRoof · 07/07/2017 17:08

In your opinion

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strikealight · 07/07/2017 17:23

Yes, my opinion. Which is what this forum is about. But if you want to live in a cosy Corbynista echo chamber, that's your prerogative.

birdsdestiny · 07/07/2017 17:30

Yes I find the whole but the Tories are really really really shit , a bit tiresome. My expectations of labour are higher than that. If you stay in a crap hotel it's of no comfort that there are other crap hotels too.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 07/07/2017 18:22

It's many people's opinion that Corbyn isn't a credible leader many of his own MP's and of course the voters that's why he isn't PM now

It's interesting that the vote for Labour under Corbyn will be mainly pro EU yet he isn't putting up any resistance to the goverments hard Brexit plans of course we all know he is and always has been anti EU but that's not representative of many of his supporters and once again he will show himself up (as he already is since the election) to be useless as an opposition leader when he has to do real politics not just go on a rally and preach to the already converted

Squeegle · 07/07/2017 18:36

I used to feel that Corbyn was not a credible leader, but I have to say I have been impressed by his integrity, his tenacity, his logic and the real care he shows, as well as the methodical manifesto he led. I think many more on the right of the Labour Party feel thy can now work with him. He is no fly by night. Integrity is what we want in our politicians- why would we suddenly reject this in favour of something more cosmetically acceptable?

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brexitstolemyfuture · 07/07/2017 19:52

Or maybe they will resent paying more taxes just to allow wealthy middle class kids to spend 3 years dossing around at university and will become more conservative.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Tory's rolled out free uni to appease. Free uni should only be for subjects where there is a skills shortage imo.

I'm not even a Labour voter, never voted for them. No party really represents me.

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YTho · 07/07/2017 20:20

I'd genuinely want to know if any tory policy has actually improved life for ordinary people in this country. By ordinary I mean those who are not millionaires so that's probably majority of uk. I'm sure there has to be something that tories have done in the past 10 years that has improved our lives? I can't think of anything but if there was a source or website where these achievements were listed I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 07/07/2017 21:04

Are you impressed by Corbyn's non opposition to the Tories hard Brexit

That isn't what many who voted for labour are wanting

Butteredparsnip1ps · 07/07/2017 22:14

Actually I think JC knows perfectly well that there is no magic money tree and would be pretty terrified about having to put his manifesto into place.

He thought TM would get a landslide and went round making promises he never expected to fulfill.

I'm pretty sure he didn't expect to be PM

FinallyThroughTheRoof · 08/07/2017 07:02

Err he produced a costed manifesto. Unlike the Tories who just seem to wing it

strikealight · 08/07/2017 08:39

The holiday he took during the referendum campaign tells you all you need to know about his leadership abilities, particularly when things get tough.

FaithHopeCharityDesperation · 08/07/2017 08:56

I'd genuinely want to know if any tory policy has actually improved life for ordinary people in this country

Raising the personal tax allowance.

That has helped every single taxpayer, and the lower earners most of all.
(Also, benefits are taxable too so it's not just helped those in work).

From £6,475 under Gordon Brown, to £11,500 now.

An extra £5,025 per year for every one of us.

(Under Labour, it went up by only £2,430 over their whole 13 years, and they scrapped the 10p rate for the lowest earners).

EngTech · 08/07/2017 08:57

If JC did become PM and it all went pear shaped, who would get the blame and how could it be sorted?

JC did not get a winning mandate of the voters, TM lost her majority and has to be propped up by the DUP

JC would seek support of other parties to form a government.

If the situation was reversed, JC would ignore the cries to have another GE, just like TM is doing.

Democracy is a right pain at times but the people do get a choice.

IMHO these days, it seems that every decision is wrong and it should be reversed.

How on earth would things get done? 😳

YTho · 08/07/2017 08:58

Theresa May's vote buying and flipflopping on issues such as general elections tells me all about her leadership inabilities.

pygmyhippo1 · 08/07/2017 09:12

Errr @ Finally - the Labour manifesto may have been costed but it certainly wasn't funded - there is a difference !!

midnightmisssuki · 08/07/2017 09:28

What an absolutely ridiculous thing to say. We would all be in absolute mayhem if JC ever became PM. I think would be catastrophic for the UK. Not sure what news you're following - did you miss the part about the tories winning the last general election? Confused

C0rdelia · 08/07/2017 10:18

Thing is, Jeremy Corbin is the puppet of the Machiavellian John Macdonald.

John will be the Prime Minister pulling the strings of the puppet.

C0rdelia · 08/07/2017 10:20

Labour could actually have won the election without puppet.

C0rdelia · 08/07/2017 10:22

Keep saying Puppet every time you see him. John Macdonald is the puppet master.

Squeegle · 08/07/2017 10:41

midnightmissi, I don't get why you don't think we are in mayhem now!
Britain isolated out of Europe - no real plan for the future with the imminent departure
Public service wages running so far behind inflation that people are
Literally running out of food
Number of nurses not sufficient as due to Brexit fiasco not enough EU staff coming over
Mental health services at breaking point
Chaos in our governmental services, building regulations neither being adhered to nor updated
Schools being underfunded, staff reduced
Not enough homes for us all bein built
Etc etc. We are truly in a mess, we need some vision to get us out

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