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To want a daughter so very much

471 replies

seaotterly · 30/06/2017 16:14

I have a DS, who is 18 months.

I am desperate for a girl.

It is putting me off TTC another as I would feel so awful as secretly I don't want another son.

I know im being unreasonable

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ssd · 02/07/2017 13:13

too many people here projecting onto this thread, instead of being honest

the op has probably disappeared as she knows she isnt being understood here

its a hard thing to explain and every time I try I'm told own the relationship, whatever the hell that means....

FWIW, we've never ever had help with our boys, we've always been the ones to take them swimming, ice skating, football, rugby, running, hill climbing and we've all done it together

and now they are grown they do these things with pals and girlfriends as well as go to uni and work part time

they are brilliant boys and I would never change them or make them feel they are anything less than brilliant

so for me to say I miss the dd relationship, going for coffee, looking at make up, is that so bad to hear? yes I might be lucky and have that in the future with a DIL but I'd quite like it now and I miss it, in a way you can miss something you've never had.

nothing wrong in saying that and acknowledging that, doesnt make my relationship with my boys any less special to me.

ssd · 02/07/2017 13:15

brilliant poem ^^

so very true

PlayingSardines · 02/07/2017 13:16

I'd be interested in hearing how old everyone involved is. My own son is only five, but my enormous clan of ILs and my friendship group have far more boys than girls, so I regularly see a lot of mother-son relationships with the sons aged from 15 to mid-30s -- and I don't see the extreme gender-segregated world of male and female interests described at all.

My nephews and godsons (student, A-level, and GCSE ages) all have mixed groups of male and female friends, and don't exist in a world of football and Xbox vs shopping and spa days. Compared to my and DH's schooldays (Ireland, 70s and 80s, all single sex schools), younger people are living in a much less Male Interests vs Female Interests world.

BertrandRussell · 02/07/2017 13:27

shouldnt a man want to spend time with his mother off his own back?

If you've raised them well and NOT taught them that men don't do that kind of thing, they probably will. Don't you get that its what you teach them that affects how they behave?"

But on Mumsnet any man wanting to spend time with his mother is called a mummy's boy and told he needs to cut the apron strings........

ssd · 02/07/2017 13:27

I think it just depends on the family/ dh and the boys are football daft, nothing more to it. We don't have a big extended family to compare it to.

AndTakeYourHorseWithYou · 02/07/2017 13:29

But on Mumsnet any man wanting to spend time with his mother is called a mummy's boy and told he needs to cut the apron strings

Some twats on here say all kinds of shite. The rest of us don't agree with such nonsense though.

AndTakeYourHorseWithYou · 02/07/2017 13:31

I will probably get flamed for saying this, but if you want a girl that much, have you considered sex selection?

It's quite rightly illegal in the UK. Hmm

NikiBabe · 02/07/2017 13:32

Growing up with sisters has made me never want a female child.

PlayingSardines · 02/07/2017 13:32

Oh, and I see lots of equivalently close mother/son and mother/daughter relationships around me, though lots mediated by geographical distance in both cases.

I should also say that both my nice SILs have three children, two boys and one girl -- in both cases, they (I quote) 'kept going till I got my girl', and made no bones about the disappointment of having two boys first, and condoling with me when I had a boy. They were big on the 'my girl's gonna be my BEST FRIEND', pink frills and special treatment stuff.

All six are now adults, and the four boys (mid 20s to mid-30s) are delightful, successful, nice, and have lovely relationships with both parents, though none are living close by. Both daughters have had a far rockier time, both still living with their parents, not even minimally independent, one having repeated anxiety and depression, signed off work for almost three years, and an eating disorder, the other obsessed with her looks, desperate for a career as a model, despite repeatedly being told she has no chance, but neither she nor her mother will hear otherwise, and refuse to consider her earning her living any other way. Which means she's 23, with no qualifications, and no experience of the world of work, not even a paper round.

Yes, some of this is bad luck and individual personalities, but it's difficult to avoid thinking that some is the result of the very different 'my baby girl' style of parenting they got from otherwise sensible mothers.

Moussemoose · 02/07/2017 13:42

My dad and my brother loved football, so I did. Over time football became the thing my dad and I bonded over, my mum felt left out. She wanted coffee and shopping so I did but I didn't like it and resented her.

The sense of being left out is not down to gender it's down to you.

Leilaniii · 02/07/2017 13:50

You are right AndTakeYourHorseWithYou, it is illegal in the UK, but not in the US.

Moussemoose · 02/07/2017 14:39

In relation to the point about 'men getting what they want'. If I had girls who liked ballet (I hate it) I'd do the same.

As a parent you teach your children to live their own life and be free but they owe you nothing. You have to work to keep the relationship it doesn't matter if they are boys or girls.

Way too much self fulfilling passive acceptance on this thread.

ThePlatypusAlwaysTriumphs · 02/07/2017 14:45

OP, your story made me so sad. I am an only child, although my mum went on to have a miscarriage, followed by a mole pregnancy followed by 2 stillbirths. She would have loved a boy, as in her family the boys were favoured and she was happy to run around after her brothers. She was frustrated that I was not a girly girl either, but we had a good relationship nonetheless, albeit a bit volatile at times. I was closer to my dad, we had more in common and I think she felt a bit left out. She died when I was pregnant with dd1.

My dad was bereft, and he still misses her 14 years later. He will never remarry, I Dont think, and we are still very close (he lives next door to us and looks after the kids when DH is away, comes on holiday with us every year,and is a huge part of our family) By no means are most men like your dad.

My dad always said girls were the best (Im sure because of his relationship with me!), and he was delighted when we had 2 dds. When ds came along I was actually a bit worried about how he would be, but he loves ds every bit as much, and he actually has more in common with him than the dds, especially as they all get older.

I can understand someone secretly wanting one sec more than the other (I was delighted to have ds, but another girl wouldn't have been a disappointment). But I genuinely believe in relationships with your children you get out what you put in, regardless of their gender.

At the moment my dd s are 13 and 12, ds is 9. The girls are great, but they have issues with their friends etc, and I spend a lot of time listening, trying to help, getting shouted at, getting cried on, wiping tears, cheering up, listening some more. Ds has just come down and been reduced to happy hysteria because I made a funny face at him! Swings and roundabouts, and the relationship constantly changes at each stage of their lives, but that's what I love about being a parent!

seaotterly · 02/07/2017 15:25

Thanks for the kinder tone to some of the replies. I really bared my heart on here before.

Re sex selection, I just don't see how it could be affordable. Otherwise I would seriously consider it.

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bumblebee61 · 02/07/2017 15:31

Well, i get it. I had a daughter after two boys and I was DESPERATE for a girl. I actually wanted a son for the first child and wasn't bothered until I had my second son and then began to think that if i only had one more and it wasn't a girl, i wouldn't ever have the experience of having a daughter. I read a magazine in the ward after my second son's birth in which there was an article about natural sex selection and a book outlining how to increase your chances. I can't for the life of me remember the title, but I bought the book and did what it said. Altered m diet, and timings of possible conception etc. I conceived a girl. My daughter is gorgeous in every way, but my relationship with her is very different and more complex than that with my sons. i don't think I could have coped with two daughters, it is so intense and somehow much more painful when it isn't working. Not sure why. I found a link to the book.
www.amazon.co.uk/Girl-Boy-Your-Chance-Choose/dp/0722511310?tag=mumsnetforum-21

NotYoda · 02/07/2017 16:04

ssd

I think you are the one who is projecting

Did you read the OP's posts about her past - how she believes boys (her boy?) are more likely to grow up to be abusive, and that a girl will enable her to have a close relationship. A relationship that sadly she didn't have with her own mother

People are reading those understandably wounded words and yet still thinking it's reasonable to suggest sex selection.

I understand the OP wants understanding. But endorsement of those beliefs? I don't think that's helpful at all

ginorwine · 02/07/2017 17:47

I felt the same op
I wanted to be able to do girl things and have a relationship with another female in that way .
My dd share a passion for horses and shop together for eg
And she is broody and discusses babies with me .
And with my son I can't talk for long about his passions in a knowagable way .. and I didn't understand football and his toys .
But
My son is the most lovely uncomplicated easy to love lovely young man . He is very sensitive , likeable and emotionally intelligent person
.
So sometimes you just get a lovely person rather than it being gender linked so it will be fine .

corythatwas · 02/07/2017 18:50

OP, how will you feel if you have a daughter who is lovely in all sorts of ways but simply doesn't want a closer bond with you than your son does?

A daughter who is pleasant and well-mannered but on the whole doesn't want to spend that much time with you once she grows up and who doesn't really feel a particular bond with you because you are both women?

A daughter who feels that her female experience is so completely different from your female experience that however much she loves you she is never going to understand where you're coming from?

Can you accept that that is also her right and never let her know that you are disappointed in her simply because she was born a woman?

Can you let her be herself without having to pretend that she understands you better than she actually does because she senses your need to be understood?

Because that simply isn't something you can lay on a child on either sex, to heal something that has gone wrong in the past.

Differentname45 · 03/07/2017 09:43

OP - you say you had IVF to get your son. You can actually get gender selection IVF jn Madrid.

Freddofrog1983 · 03/07/2017 10:04

I completely understand the desire for a daughter and you can't help how you feel. I would love a daughter. I have 3 boys who I love more than anything in this world but that does not stop my desire for a girl, I just want a girl as well as not instead of a boy. I do not have any siblings and my mum has died so I have no female relations.

seaotterly · 03/07/2017 10:58

Can you, Different, thanks, I might look into that

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Differentname45 · 03/07/2017 13:34

I am wrong - it's Cyprus! I vaguely know about it because I've also contemplated it after three much-longed for and loved DSs. (I always wanted a girl, each time I was pregnant I hoped for a girl.)

You can also get something cheaper in Switzerland called microsort, it marks out the sperm and you get inseminated with the preferred gender. It isn't 100% though, and don't know a whole load about it.

IVF is obviously 100% guaranteed if successful.

Gender selection is very controversial, I know!

I've just read your full thread and feel so sad for you and what you went through with your mum.

And can relate a little (though i come from a very loving home with great parents) my mother died when I was young also. And, ever since, I've longed for a mother-daughter relationship. It isn't something I can justify, either, and my sons are my world, but I know exactly how you feel.

I'm so sorry for what you went through with your dad. And that you worry your husband would do the same. Have you ever talked to him about how you feel? Is he someone you can talk to about things like this?

(Leilaniii - I would actually be interested in your experiences of gender selection... don't know if I can afford it either. But $20,000 for a few tries is actually less than I thought... )

Maxandrubyrubyandmax · 03/07/2017 13:46

We have a DS started tycoon number 2. We bothe really wanted another boy so not unreasonable to have a preference 3years of secondary infertility later would be grateful for either!

Leilaniii · 03/07/2017 14:01

Differentname45, please feel free to PM me.

seaotterly · 03/07/2017 14:43

If you could consider PMing me too different I would appreciate it

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