To think an amnesty needs to be made asap for Grenfall residents

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Mayor Kahan supports this but government officials haven't granted it yet. Surely these people have been through enough without persecution for subletting or visa issues!

How would an amnesty work for illegal immigrants? They'd be let go without punishment this time and could be picked up and deported later or they'd be given the right to remain here? Because the latter would surely lead to every illegal immigrant in London and the surrounding area coming forward.

I completely disagree OP.

It would be a dangerous precedent to set, would give the wrong impression that illegal immigration can be rewarded in certain circumstances, would discriminate against those who have gone about getting the required status legally and often with much cost and stress and does nothing to discourage illegal subletting, exploitation and encourages overcrowding by landlords .

Also, how will they know who was genuinely in Grenfell and who is being opportunistic?

The two are completely separate imo.

Of course there should be an amnesty. Possibly hundreds of people have died in what was basically a death trap where warnings were ignored. The surviving victims may have seen their loved ones burned to death and they have lost everything they own. It is far more important that the true picture of how many have died becomes clear, that these people's deaths are acknowledged and loved ones can get some closure. That relies on people not being afraid to come forward. Sickened at the lack of basic humanity in some of these posts.

i don't understand this idea.
how will they be able to prove they lived there? ( I mean people asking for help rather that reporting missing people)

Surely the number of people in the tower who were here illegally is tiny. Even if it was 10% of residents (which seems high), that would be, what 40 people?

To me, having 40 people be granted amnesty, rather than have their families living in fear, or never knowing where their bodies are, is a small price to pay.

TM is full of little surprises, isn't she?

Those in favour of an immigration amnesty - what about the tenants who illegally sublet?

And whatever you think of the Vicar's Daoghtet in Downing Street please put the H in her name. Teresa May was a star of porn films. And I know that from the press, not from having watched her work

One of my ex-colleagues said he was looking for a new place to rent in London. I asked him why he wanted to move because I knew he had a small garden he liked where he was living. He said that he was renting the council flat from an asylum seeking. I asked where the asylum seeker was living. He said that he had gone back to live in Iraq - the country he claimed asylum from. He was moving out because another council tenant, understandably annoyed, grassed him up.

What the ?!?

Anyway, amnesty for the subletees. The numbers have to be known and identified. Basic humanity.

As for the subletters, no way.

And you know what? I was wrong. Of course these poor buggers should have an immigration amnesty. Sorry I suggested otherwise. Engage brain and compassion before hitting keyboard, Andrew.

No amnesty.

if an illegal immigrant choses to continue their illegal lifestyle over ID'ing a deceased relative then they are morally reprehensible and not the fluffy cuddly idea that many are imagining.

Go identify your dead then start taking steps to lead a lawful life. If there are real reasons why they should remain in the UK they should be able to stay, but otherwise, they should follow the rules like the rest of us.

But if there was no amnesty for the subletters, for this extreme occasion, there would be no accurate record of the sublettees.

Surely you have to give amnesty for both on this occasion though, otherwise some of the sublettees wouldn't come forward for fear of grassing up the subletters?

Ugh pea good point....

YABU. An amnesty won't help with identification.

Go identify your dead

How do you imagine they can do that, exactly? Following this fire? Some very young individuals and babies will have left no remains at all.

Fucking hell. Your username is as awful as your post on this thread 'thisgirlisonfire'.

If everyone who was supposed to be on the rent book (and by association their immediate family) was resident there, it would be far easier to identify the number of victims.

The subletting has caused terrible problems for everybody.

I think an urgent review into stopping this must be instituted.

*No amnesty.

if an illegal immigrant choses to continue their illegal lifestyle over ID'ing a deceased relative then they are morally reprehensible and not the fluffy cuddly idea that many are imagining.

Go identify your dead then start taking steps to lead a lawful life. If there are real reasons why they should remain in the UK they should be able to stay, but otherwise, they should follow the rules like the rest of us.*

Great username

Just to step off the point somewhat ( I too am furious about the handwringing post)

People do not die 8every day* in house fires in this country. Thankfully.

Not been said much but Grenfell is the biggest loss of peacetime lives by fire in the country ever since record keeping began. SIX people are thought to have died in the Great Fire of London ffs. This places Grenfell alongside calamities like Aberfan, Hillsborough, the ferry disaster. Two of those also had associated pop songs. And 'handwringing' . Were people 'handwringing' over the deaths of all those children in Aberfan, I wonder?

This is a HUGE loss of life, even at the reported numbers.

There are as others have said , practical reasons to allow amnesties as well as emotional ones, not least some of you will be happy to know, to prevent fraudulent claims for compensation later down the line.

An amnesty doesn't mean that subletting will become legal - just that those involved in this case won't be pursued, under the extreme circumstances.

I think this bears repeating.

I'm actually really shocked that so many people on here are against an amnesty.

I cannot believe people actually believe these poor people - whose children slowly burned to death, who were hospitalised for smoke inhalation, who have lost everything but a single pair of pyjamas, should be deported. What the hell is wrong with you?

Would you say this to their faces? Would you have said this as the tower smouldered, or did it take a whole week for you to get bored of feeling sad, and turn on the powerless victims?

"Can't make exceptions" are people so ignorant that you do not know there are facilities to make exceptions built-in to the system, and they are made every day or the week?

We are talking about maybe a dozen people at most.

The only thing that worries me about an amnesty on subletting is that any sense that illegal subletting is ok actually might create further dangers in future fires as nobody will know who is living in a property and that they might need rescuing.

they should follow the rules like the rest of us.

subletting is rife in the white middle class student market. Just saying...

Perhaps K and C should have followed the rules when choosing cladding??

These people are victims.

thisgirl, shame on you. Jesus.

, or did it take a whole week for you to get bored of feeling sad, and turn on the powerless victims

I think it took them a week to wait for the sympathy to die down enough to have the 'courage' to speak openly and say what they actually thought at the time. Shocking.