To think an amnesty needs to be made asap for Grenfall residents

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Mayor Kahan supports this but government officials haven't granted it yet. Surely these people have been through enough without persecution for subletting or visa issues!

I haven't read the full thread. After the first couple of pages I felt too sick at the lack of empathy and love for other human beings who have been through the most horrific experience. An experience I pray no one else will have to go through in this country. This lack of basic human kindness is what is dragging this country down!

I've always said idiotic and offensive posts should stay so we know who they are. I don't see any difference here

I've clarified my thoughts on this, I believe that the amnesty should be "ringfenced" collation of information towards the investigation of the incident. Such ringfencing of information shouldn't be shared for other purposes or agencies. Whether that's dobbing folk in to the immigration/subletting fraud agencies or used to determine who should get long term rehousing. Eligibility for the latter should be determined separately.

So neither gain nor detriment to those names put forward to the investigation.

Some people are just hate filled about anyone who isn't them or theirs. I've had a fuckwit on my fb feed saying stuff that would make a dm reader blush.

Does this not cover what needs to be said/done?

"Det Sup Fiona McCormack said she wanted to hear about anyone who was in the tower, whether or not they were meant to be in the building.

She said: "I do not want there to be any victims of this tragedy that we do not know about.

"Our priority is to understand who was in Grenfell Tower. We are not interested in people's reasons for being in Grenfell Tower."

What distresses me about the DM and Grenfell Fire is not the reporting, believe it or not which - besides the article naming and shaming the man whose fridge started the fire - is largely about the shocking nature of the fire, its safety implications more generally, the tragedy of the scale and individual lives, lightened by reporting on the wonderful actions of the emergency services and the community. And reporting on Corbyn and the Queen being well-received but not Theresa May.

It's the comments section. With readers disagreeing with the reporting in the Mail as being sympathetic to Grenfell Fire victims (serves him right for leaving Syria).

That sounds fair, Bah

If I've learned anything from social media/forums etc, it's that those with the least insight always have the most to say. I stay well clear of the DM, it's depressing.

@ Floggingmolly

People are actually entitled to voice their opinions, though, however reprehensible others may find them?

Here are MNHQ Talk Guidelines:

We're all for freedom of speech. That said, we'll remove posts we consider to contain personal attacks, to break the law and/or to be obscene, racist, sexist, disablist, ageist, homophobic or transphobic, once they are brought to our attention. We will also delete any posts that we think are just seriously unpleasant (please note that any subsequent posts repeating the words in the deleted post may be deleted, too).

But a number of posts are racist / Islamaphobic and contrary to Talk guidelines

If they are, I'm sure they'll be deleted in due course

BahHumbygge I like the sound of your "ringfencing" idea ... I don't have extensive expertise in how it would work in practice, but at the very least it seems worth looking at

Ah, ok Aridane. I've seen this "This is against Talk guidelines" before but I confess to never having read the guidelines themselves .

I stay well clear of the DM, it's depressing.

Really Lois? I find people on MN more than keep their end up

Louisebrookes, maybe some people think that it is possible fires may be started deliberately in the future because it is quite likely TRUE.

Whether you like it or not there are many many horrible, unfeeling, self serving people that will do just about anything that gives them financial or other reward.

The only thing it says about any poster that believes it could happen is that they are realistic

Limitedperiodonly, thankyou for this post:
Met Det Chief Supt Fiona McCormick just gave a live statement about this issue. To summarise she said: 'We don't want to have any hidden victims. We want to know. We are not going to check people's immigration status if you tell us about them. We want to know who all of them were.'

She was also talking about potential criminal investigations but stressed that they weren't interested in sub-letting or footling shit like that given the scale of the incident.

She didn't look or sound like anyone's bleeding heart push over in case anyone is worrying. She seemed an experienced and senior police officer who has a bit more of a handle on this terrible situation than many of the people on this thread.

Do feel free to check it out

It really sums up what I have been trying (much less articulately!) to say.

BarbarianMum and (much earlier in the thread) Andrewofgg
I know this might sound a bit weird (and I really hope it doesn't come across as condescending) but I really have a lot of respect for people who not only change their minds, but admit to it. I know from experience that it is actually a difficult thing to do.

I know that there are many on this thread who are objecting to the amnesty due to reasonable concerns, and although I think that these people are mistaken (and sometimes are misunderstanding what the amnesty will mean in practice), I don't think that they are heartless or lacking in compassion. There are a few, however, who have expressed more objectionable views.

Louisbrookes the police in my area have an appeal out today for someone wilful fire-raising in a property in a block of flats. Fortunately, it was extinguished by the fire service with minimal damage.

limited Well this thread proves your point I suppose. I'm on MN less and less.

I did read it lots of times and just lost sight of the pronouns puzzled

Thanks for clarifying. Hopefully you can see it could have been read differently : but I was fairly sure you meant what you meant...

if that makes sense!

Having an English degree sometimes makes one extraordinarily nit picking...

What gets me about all the smug people on this thread talking about illegals and freeloaders is that Premier Inn has realised that a number of their hotels are clad in this potentially lethal material and are taking immediate steps to investigate it with a view to removing it.

That's the correct response.

Why don't the people who are so worried about setting precedents think about that the next time they want to book a hotel room? They could choose a chain like Premier Inn or one that decides to cover it up.

It could happen to any of us

You know that in the sense of Islamophobia/homophobia, the suffix -phobia doesn't really mean fear? It means a dislike of. I know that the idea of words/particles having more than one meaning is quite a tricky one to grasp, so do mull it over. Maybe you can ask some of your similarly thick racist friends for help.

I'm an addict Lois

There you go Hathaway proving my point. It is not about fearing a few billion people. My post is clearly written about the people blowing up people, including children. Islam is not people, Muslims are people and I did not say a word about Muslims because it is not about them, it is about a lot of people using their religion to their own purpose. Report away and shut down a conversation because YOU don't like it/ Well done.

Funny being called racist yellow when you have NO idea of my skin color or heritage but carry on.

Saying a racist thing = racist. Couldn't give a shit what colour/race you are.