To think an amnesty needs to be made asap for Grenfall residents

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Mayor Kahan supports this but government officials haven't granted it yet. Surely these people have been through enough without persecution for subletting or visa issues!

What's happened to people lately? When did we, as a society, become so callous?

squishysquirmy It's no different in principle.

Wow, there's some really nasty attitudes on this thread. Of course an amnesty is appropriate. Basically, what Sadiq Khan said. Have a bit of bloody empathy.

No idea how you would make an amnesty work properly - one difficulty is to ensure that you don't create a loophole through which the unscrupulous try to push people who were nowhere near Grenfell.

Nasty, nasty cunts.

So if you were waiting for social housing in RBKC would you be content to be pushed down the queue by people who had been subletting illegally!

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Yep. It will.

We only seem to be able to have sympathy for people who suffer tragedy for about a week. Then we want to move in to the next thing- so finding ways for the tragedy to be the victims' fault makes that much easier. Being black or brown helps in that process. Add in illegal immigrant and you're home free.

No laws are in place for a reason.

Does nobody think that an amnesty, and I know where the sentiment is coming from, might make someone think of arson in the future? Desperation maybe?

Indeed Pea, its like reading the Daily Hate comment section on here sometimes

And I agree with MrsJay of course there should be an amnesty, for this incident as a much bigger crime has been committed.

There are precedents for this for other crimes, when the police are looking for serious criminals.

Nope. Two separate things.

might make someone think of arson in the future?

Me. I absolutely think someone fleeing war or abject poverty would happily kill hundreds of their neighbours, risk their own lives and that of her their family to be able to stay in Britain.

Oh, wait, no I don't. I have a brain.

My word! I started a similar thread to you op and I agree with amnesty. I care more for the people and for everyone to be accounted for hopefully to the police's best ability.
Yes! It was wrong they were here illegally, however, illegal immigrants are humans and they should be treated as such. Brushing them off like they never existed in such a tragedy does not make you tougher and fearful as people, You are being inhumane.

It's a generous and humanitarian idea, but what's to prevent other people with dubious immigration status from coming forward and claiming to have lived there, to get the benefit of the amnesty? It's not like anyone can prove it either way.

I agree with the principle but can't see how it can be applied in practice.

People who rented a flat illegally shouldn't be pursued, but those who were subletting should.

I simply don't understand how councils seem so toothless and apathetic about this. I know of several cases (I've documented on other threads) - one where a relative was renting from the actual tenant who hadn't lived there for years, and one where someone was renting out their flat in Clapham and told me gleefully how much they were making whilst they still lived with their parent. The parent whose partner they apparently couldn't live with which got them the flat in the first place.

Yes Bernadette, not a block full of flats but I can imagine desperate people (with a brain) sharing a house as is often the case perhaps considering it. It could all be ok but it could backfire.

Can't say I'd blame them if they know there is a chance they would be given an amnesty.

Even Theresa May is saying that people can go forward for help without having to worry about immigration status.

No amnesty.

I agree with Sadiq Khan.

You can't set a precedent like that. Lots of people have house fires every year - what will you write off for them?

I have BBC new on in the background, TM is making a statement in Parliament. Unless I misheard TM has just announced all victims "regardless of immigration status" will get help.

Theresa May is showing far more empathy than most people on here !

"Yes Bernadette, not a block full of flats but I can imagine desperate people (with a brain) sharing a house as is often the case perhaps considering it. It could all be ok but it could backfire."

How would they identify a building that had been made into a death trap by council/government policy?

No there should not be an amnesty. Subletting is illegal and councils should be much tougher on tenants that do it. It really annoys me that someone gets a property because they supposedly need one and then sublet it in order to make money. Sod the people further down the list.

I said on another thread that the numbers would be virtually impossible to know because of people subletting and was told, by more than one poster, that subletting is not very common"! Oh really?

As another poster said, it may make someone else think about deliberately starting a fire. Of course most normal, sane people would never do this but there are a few that would. What about the immigrants in Calais who caused the lorry driver's death this week?

"You can't set a precedent like that. Lots of people have house fires every year - what will you write off for them?"

If the council virtually set fire to it, then yes.